From: Torsten
Message: 68628
Date: 2012-02-28
>Yes, I know that's what you think.
> >The question is whether it was spoken at the time referred to by
> >Tacitus, ie. 60 BCE; if so,
>
> No, it wasn't spoken then (but about 700-1,000 y later on).
> And IThat would have been Proto South Slavic borrowing Venetic (or Dacian?) *kolnik as *kolanik, later changing it to *klanats etc., and later borrowing *kolnik again.
> doubt Protoslavic to have had in the same area such concoctions as
> "klanets" and "kolnik" (whereas Latin did have callis; collus;
> collum).
> >then in connection with the slave trade through Nauportus. If so, >Burebista himself might have used it.For the export of both Burebista and Ariovistus, they would have been rivals. Note that the route by river from Manching via the Sava and Ljubljanica
>
> Nauportus as the market place for his own "export"?
> >That kind of alternation is indicative of the word being a loan,On the other hand one should not forget that slaves was a cargo like any other, so the calles were paths by which the were all transported.
> >but I'm not aware of any r/l alternation in other loans from
> >Venetic(?).
>
> Or it can be a mere internal development in Romanian, that those 4
> words (cale - cÄlare "mounted" - cÄrare "(narrow) path" & cal
> "horse") have much in common phonetically (so that one might
> generate puns based on them). (Frisurscheitel is also "cÄrare".)
>
> >'callum
>
> Because of this -LL- Romanian has <cale> and not a rhotacized
> <care>. (As it happened in <care> < <quale>. This rhotacization is
> supposed to have ceased in Protoromanian in the 7th/8th century;
> i.e. it hasn't been productive since then.)
>
> >Thus a callis is a 'worn' road.
> >
> >If true, it is tempting to equate it with the Hohl- of Hohlweg.
>
> Yes.
>
> >That makes me suspect that the 'calles', the control of which was
> >important enough for the Romans to appoint high civil servants to
> >guard them, was the route by which slaves were transported to Rome,
> >and that the use of that word was an euphemism for that
> >disreputable business. Note also that quaestors were in charge of
> >the slave auctions after successful campaigns.
>
> An interesting euphemism if it was intended to have been used as
> such.