Re: Octha or Ohta?

From: stlatos
Message: 68496
Date: 2012-02-07

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
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> > W dniu 2012-02-07 22:17, stlatos pisze:
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> > > I'll say it again: opt. changes.
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> > So you propose a houyhnhnm protoform for 'goose' to account for the
> > _absence_ of palatalisation in Slavic and then invoke "opt." to accunt
> > for the _presence_ of palatalisation in Baltic? It's way easier to
> > assume that the Baltic form is regular and the Slavic one is aberrant
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> I don't know what you're attempting to separate as dif. expl. The palatalized forms are more widespread than the non-palatalized, but each comes from a combination of sounds like gYHG or gHGY, as in many words. The opt. change is whether K KY clusters assim. > KY KY or K K , etc., or do nothing (sometimes not detectable since any x() > 0 in most). The presence of the "laryngeal" is also seen by g / gH or k / kH before x(), as in çátru- = enemy V S; *kxatr.u > kHot. t.s.ok- (v) = fight Kh; or *xYy > *GYGY / *gHGY / etc. > g\z^\jente: OLith; ianitri:x L; etc., the same as *gYGY/xYyem+ 'bind'.
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Also, in drU-kolI = club OCS; caulis = stalk L; cHawL = stem/stalk/straw Ar; s^òl. = ~reed / straw Kh; one opt. is * kYx- with x coloring the V > a, kYx>kx in Slavic (along with w-w>0 dis.), kYx>kYHx in Arm (kY>sY>s by itself), and kYx>kYxY>sYy>sy>s^ in Khow (kY>sY>s by itself); each form unrelatable to all others by standard regular rules.


> > ("opt.", if you prefer). However, it seems to me that satemisation is
> > often cancelled in Slavic if there is already an inherited *s in the
> > same stem, cf. *svekUrU 'father-in-law' (Lith. s^es^uras), *kosa
> > 'scythe' (Ved. s'as-, s'astra-, s'a:sa-, etc.). It may not be fully
> > regular, but then dissimilation at a distance rarely is.
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> You can attempt to pick out whatever happens to be similar in a few and use that, but there are many that differ. The most common in Slavic appears on the surface as KYa > Ka , but of course the a is caused by x in most of those cases.
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That it is a combination of kx of whatever type by a is also shown by:


* kYaxp- > * kYaap- > hófe OE; hoof E;

but met. in

* kYapx- > * kYapHx- > çaphá- V S;

but dif. met. in

* kYxap- > sapùk = hoof Kh;

with no p>pH (>f later)

so also kYx in

* kYxap- > kx- > *kopyto = hoof Slav;