Re: Romanized Bastarnians

--- On Fri, 12/30/11, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:


From: Torsten <tgpedersen@...>
Subject: [tied] Re: Romanized Bastarnians
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 30, 2011, 8:37 PM



 





--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> --- On Fri, 12/30/11, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> (GK)
> > you can proceed to read Shchukin in his original: cf.
> > krotov.info/history/09/3/schukin.html
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> > (This is) the classic article on Slavic beginnings written eight
> > years after your citation from the 1989 Shchukin volume. It has a
> > lot on Bastarnia, none of which supports you.
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> None of which contradicts me.
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>GK: So you've read the piece? Point out the passages where he
> supports your views about events in the 90-50 BCE period. Esp. your
> notion that the population shifts both Shchukin and Nosevych date as
> of 50 CE -> actually occurred more than one hundred years earlier,
> and affected different areas of Przeworsk than per their
> analysis.
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http://krotov.info/history/09/3/schukin.html
'П.Н.Третьяков предполагал: когда во II веке н.э. возникла черняховская общность, носители зарубинецкой культуры Среднего Поднепровья были вынуждены отступить на север и северо-восток, а после гуннского нашествия и крушения Черняхова вернулись уже в виде раннеисторических славян. Идея оказалась в общем плодотворной, хотя и выявился затем ряд неточностей. Черняховская культура возникла не во II в. н.э., а не ранее 20-60-х годов III века (Щукин 1976; Szczukin 1981; �"ороховский 1989; Шаров 1992), и не черняховцы, а сарматы в середине I в. н.э.
заставили носителей зарубинецкой культуры сдвинуться на север (Щукин 1972; Щукин 1994: 232-239).'

"P.N. Tretyakov suggested that when the Cherniakhov community emerged in the II century AD, the bearers of the Zarubintsy culture of Middle Dnieper were forced to retreat to the north and northeast, and after the invasion of the Huns and the collapse of Chernyakhov already returned in the form of early-history Slavs. The idea proved generally fruitful, although it later revealed a number of inaccuracies. The Chernyakhovsk culture did not emerge in the II cent. CE, but not earlier than 20-60s of III century (Shchukin 1976; Szczukin 1981 Gorokhovskiy 1989, Sharov 1992), and it was not the Chernyakhov people, but Sarmatians in the middle of the I cent. BC who forced carriers of the Zarubintsy culture to move to the north (Shchukin 1972 Shchukin 1994: 232-239)."

I don't understand the way you think, George.


*****GK: Your Google translator has let you down. "в середине I в. н.э." means "in the middle of the 1rst c. CE" (=50 AD), NOT "in the middle of the I cent. BC"....****

P.S. If need be I can verify other passages. You've found a way to descramble the cyrillic so that it can be read. Good.