From: Torsten
Message: 68320
Date: 2011-12-28
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29623
> Ishinan said:
>
> In fact, in Egypt there is a town in Sinai with the very name of > 'al-Twr' i.e. 'the mountain'. The term is very ancient in
> the Classical Arabic language."
>
> Will:
>
> Then is this a direct connection between Arabic and Celtic?
> Especially with "twrr" and "twr" being so close in relation?
>
> Will Apple
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> From: "The Egyptian Chronicles" <the_egyptian_chronicles@...>
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> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 21:27:35
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> Subject: [tied] Re: taurisci-taures-taurini
>
> PATRICK wrote: hello, there is somme etymology links between
> taurisci/taurusci celtic tribe = tauern mountain = taurus
> taurini = lugurian people near alpes and Taures = scytian people
> living in Crimea mountains with IE tur- (?) something swell = latin
> turris and not bull = taur-
>
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> ISHINAN: No, there is no connection between the 'Taurini' people
> (an ancient Celto-Ligurian Alpine people, occupying the upper valley
> of the river Po (in the centre of modern Piedmont), and the Gaelic
> term referring to a mountain. I would presume that you are referring
> to:
>
> "tor 'high, rocky hill, mountain' from Gael. torr 'lofty hill,
> mound,' O.Welsh twrr 'heap, pile',
> which some etymologists connect with L. turris 'high structure' (see
> 'tower' ). But sources disagree on whether the Celts borrowed it
> from the Anglo-Saxons or the other way round."
>
>
> First, if we go by the Roman sources,* (1) the term Taur- here is
> in reference to a Roman colony which was established in 27 BC with
> the name Castra Taurinorum and afterwards Julia Augusta Taurinorum
> (modern Turin). Turin, as you know, is situated on the left bank of
> the Po River in northern Italy, surrounded by the Alpine arch, and
> is the capital of the Piedmont region.
>
> A quick look at Turin's coat of arms, which is a blue shield with a
> crown adorned with a golden bull, is a powerful hint to the sense of
> the bull = taur- as the ultimate source and not to the 'alleged'
> Gaelic 'tor' = mountain.
>
> Moreover, you might have wondered why I qualified the Gaelic term
> 'tor' = mountain as alleged being Celtic. Actually, it is widely
> used in Arabic and to a lesser degree I think (if my memory serves
> me well) in Aramaic; hence, a full fledge Semitic term.
>
>
> The following URL is a proof of my argument including various
> pertinent dictionary entries and Turin coat of arms:
>
> www.theegyptianchronicles.com/LINKS/TWR.html
>
>
> Classical Arabic: 'Twr' is a mountain, specifically a mountain
> covered with trees, otherwise a mountain is not so called. Hence,
> Twr Sinai and Twr are references to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem
> or any mountain. While the term: 'Twriyuwn' refers to the highlander
> Arab nomads who dwell in the wilderness of mountains. In fact, in
> Egypt there is a town in Sinai with the very name of 'al-Twr' i.e.
> 'the mountain'. The term is very ancient in the Classical Arabic
> language.
>
> Joyeux Noël
>
> Ishinan
>
>
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>
> *(1) Both Livy (v. 34) and Strabo (iv. p. 209) speak of the country
> of the Taurini as including one of the passes of the Alps, which
> points to a wider use of the name in earlier times.
>