Re: Romanized Bastarnians

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

> --- On Mon, 12/26/11, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> But we just agreed that the Atmoni and Sidoni departed from the area
> in mid-1st century BCE.
>
> ****GK: Could you remind me where we agreed to this? I don't seem to
> remember. ****

Sigh. I couldn't find my keys the other day. They were on the table, under a coffee mug.

Here you go, your own words:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/67450
'2. The notion that the northern Bastarnians (Atmoni and Sidones) were (at least to some extent) evicted from their haunts by Burebista has some plausibility. There is no doubt at all that the Poeneshti-Lukashovka culture, now accepted as Bastarnian, ceased to exist in practically all areas where it was identified for the period ca. 200 BCE-ca. 50 BCE.'

> (T) But the events of Mithridates' 'Sarmatian and Bastarnian wars'
> must have 'fixirovatI' itself in the finds one way or another. What
> else in the archaeology of the region would you point to?
>
> ****GK: I don't think anything notable exists for that period except
> for some indicators in the ruins of Neapolis Scythica that
> "something was going on" in the late 2nd c. BCE But that would be
> the earlier conflict with Diophantes, not with the subsequent war
> with ex-Scythian vassals. Nothing at all in the archaeology afaik
> until the Bastarnian-Yazig conflicts and the Getan invasion after
> Mithradates' death, and then after a spell the outmigration of most
> Moldavian Bastarnians towards Dardania ca. 29 BCE, and the
> subsequent reconsolidation of their remnants as Tacitus'
> "Peucini".*****
>

Either Plutarch is lying
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/Fortuna_Romanorum*.html#T324
about those 'Sarmatian and Bastarnian wars' or there must be traces of them somewhere in the area, whether they should be located in new finds or by reinterpreting what we already have. No third option.


Torsten