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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <bm.brian@...> wrote:
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> At 9:36:17 PM on Sunday, July 31, 2011, stlatos wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "cafaristeir"
> > <cafaristeir@> wrote:
>
> >> I know that the IE active participle of present and
> >> aorist is in -nt, while the perfect has -wos/-us.
> >> Likewise, the passive participle of present and aorist is
> >> in -mH1no-
>
> > There's no ev. for -H1- or any other H here.
>
> To quote Ringe:
>
> It is now clear that the PIE mediopassive participle
> suffix was *-mh1nó-, since that is the only shape that can
> account both for Gk -μενο- (/-meno-/) and Tocharian B
> -mane, A -mÄá¹ (Klingenschmitt 1975: 161-3).
>
> Whether or not everyone agrees that it's persuasive, there
> clearly *is* evidence.
This is yet another argument over semantics. I do not call data ev. just because it could be interpreted in one way; only when it does so well (has no better alternative, can't be accounted for by analogy or contamination, etc.). Consider this "evidence" :
orúa = intestine / sausage G; s^arx(u)want- = uterus / placenta H;
A few weeks ago, I read Hrach Matirosyan's words that this was evidence that s^arx(u)want- << * s^arxu-want- = full of sausages. I suppose he would say that he had evidence for it, but obviously it's completely wrong. Hittite ends many words in -nt-, most w/o it in cognates, and so it's known that -(a)nt- became incredibly productive in H, added to words for no apparent reason w no change in meaning. Therefore, the true ev. is for s^arx(u)want- << * s^arxw-ant- ; no compound, no additional meaning in H. This takes into account all relevant data (all -(a)nt- in H, etc.), not just that put forward out of context and dubbed "evidence".
There's much else that has been said about ev. for * -mh1no-, but it all can be accounted by *-menos (nom) -mn(e)- (weak) (as in Latin -mini: , -mnus , etc., and G -(o)ménos , -mna ; showing both w/in a single language so no other interpretation is possible).
This also makes more sense; the meaning of *-menos < * men- 'feel, think, etc.' .