Re: Another group of "Veneti"?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> W dniu 2011-06-23 10:18, Torsten pisze:
>
> > I've seen Russian polnoglasie presented as taking place after a
> > commom Slavic liquid metathesis, but weren't they contemporary? If
> > so, how should the lot be presented?
>
> More or less contemporaneous. All those closed syllable liquid
> manipulations are post-Proto-Slavic, i.e. dialectal. In some
> peripheral areas we even have dialects preserving unmetathesised
> liquids.
>

I asked because *-oR- -> *-Ra- -> *-oRo- seemed like a detour to me. Something like *-oR- ->(epenthesis) *-oRo- ->(elision) *-Ra- would be much more economical. But that would make East Slavic the conservative group.

Another thing, Polish Węngry "Hungarians" seems to follow the usual Slavic development of Proto-Slavic *o,- <- earlier *oN- (and one can even obtain a h- from Sorbian, if one wishes). Does that mean the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onogurs
were known to the Proto-Slavs in their Urheimat, wherever that was (or even to their predecessors)?


Torsten