Re: Sulones = Suiones?

> So Pekkanen, following Schütte, arrives at the following sequence of
> tribes on the southern coast of the Baltic, from west to east:
> Ambrones, Varini, Suiones, Finnoi.
> Assuming they took their names from an island or river which was the
> center of their habitation, we can assign them thus:
>
> Ambrones: around the island of Fehmarn, old name Imbria, Widsith
> Ymbre
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrones
> http://runeberg.org/salmonsen/2/7/0900.html
>
> Varini: around the river Warnow
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnow
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnabi
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warni
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnem%C3%BCnde
>
> Suiones: around the river Świna
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swina
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder_Lagoon
> Świnoujście or Swinemünde
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Awinouj%C5%9Bcie
>
> And from there there's still a long way to go to Estonia and
> Finland. If we assume these tribes had approximately equal stretches
> of coast, the Fennoi should be placed either at the mouth of the
> Vistula
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula
> or in Sambia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambia
> which would make them identical to the Aesti
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aestii
>

Plutarch (Life of Marius) mentions that the old name of the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligures
was also Ambrones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligurian_language_(ancient)#Relationship_with_Celtic
(and, looking at names similar to Ambrones, we should not leave out the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbri
speaking the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrian_language
here)
The *g^en- "mouth" found in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoa
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva
might also be Venetic, the latter town is close to Vesontio/Besançon with the Venetic *w- -> *b-.

And since we arrived at a proposal where the NWBlock/Venetic toponym suffix -st is the plural of the adjective suffix *-sk-
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/67405 and further
the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osci
speaking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscan
and the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesti
might have the same names.
Cf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostia_Antica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinoujscie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usti
etc etc
cf.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/64781
(perhaps Uralic *(w)aN- "mouth" -> Venetic *gen-?)

In all:

*aN-sk-, pl. *aN-st- "inhabitant at the mouth of a river"

It seems the languages of at least the Ambrones and the Aesti were in some sense
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_languages
or even
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetic


Torsten