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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "A. da Mek" <a.da_mek0@...> wrote:
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> > I'm skeptical of this 'adjectival ending'
> > (except in originally Slavic names).
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> So Chamavi are perhaps Slavic "chámové" "yokels, bumpkins, churls,
> boors; bond(s)men". :-)
To do that, I think we'd have to make it substrate in both places. Also, there's the problem that Slavic (Vasmer: Russ., Ukr., Pol.) *xam- "yokel etc" is a person and Germanic *xaim- is a place. What do?
Follow the example of -dava/Dacian
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66620
thus: the "home, settlement" sense (as in Germanic) is the original one, the "yokel" sense (as in Slavic) is a back formation from village names (eg. *Bano-xaim-?) in -xaim- (probably first used in the plural).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamavi#Movement_up_the_Rhine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaemae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banochaemae
Interestingly, West Slavic masc.pers.nom/acc.pl has competing endings -owy and -y (approx.!), corresponding to the endings of Chamavi and Chaemae, respectively.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Polish/Masculine_noun_declension
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_declension#Masculine_animate
http://www.angelfire.com/sk3/quality/Slovak_declension.html
Ptolomy's Kamauoi might exhibit the same *x- > *k- as found in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottbus
Slavic ChóÅebuz, and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemnitz
pron. [ËkÉmnɪts].
'1. Die kontinentalgermanischen -heim-Namen zeichnen sich durch hohes Alter, weite Verbreitung und dadurch aus, daà in den Bestimmungswörtern Appellativa und Personennamen vorliegen.
2. Die Verbindung von Belgien und Flandern nach England ist erneut deutlich erkennbar. Die englischen Namen entsprechen in ihrer Struktur den kontinentalen.
3. Der Raum nordöstlich der Weser und Schleswig-Holstein fällt durch spärliche Belege auf. Fast kann man von einer Fundleere sprechen. Für alte germanische Besiedlung spricht dieses Faktum nicht.
4. Die dänischen und skandinavischen Namen lassen im Bestimmungswort Personennamen fast gänzlich vermissen. Das spricht angesichts einer Kombination mit einem alten germanischen Wort für âHeim, Siedlung, Haus" für jüngere, sekundäre Namengebung.
5. Die Gesamtverbreitung und die hier genannten Ergebnisse sprechen eher für eine Ausbreitung der -heim-Namen von Süden nach Norden als umgekehrt. Sie passen sich somit ausgezeichnet in die bisherig erbrachten Erkenntnisse unserer Untersuchung ein.'
"1. The continental Germanic -heim names are characterized by great age, wide distribution and by the fact that appellatives and anthroponyms occur in the determinative words.
2. The connection of Belgium and Flanders to England is again clear to see. The English names correspond in their structure to the continental ones.
3. The region north east of the Weser River and Schleswig-Holstein have spectacularly few examples. One might almost speak of a lack of finds. This fact does not speak for an ancient Germanic presence.
4. Anthroponyms are almost absent in the Danish and Scandinavian names. Given the antiquity of the Germanic word for "home, settlement, house" this speaks for the compounds being younger and secondary.
5. The total distribution and the points mentioned here speak for a dispersion of the -heim names from the south to the north rather than the other way. Thus they fit in excellently into the results of our investigation so far."
To which I would say:
4. is a non-sequitur
5. since the idea of a directed dispersion, and the direction of it, is derived from 4., that idea falls too. It seems to me rather that we have two relic areas, one east of the Weser, one in the Scandinavian countries.
And those areas are relic areas relative to the incoming Przeworsk Rhine-Germanicness. Cimbrian? According to HÃ¥ndbog i danske stednavne there is a concentration of -hem names in Jutland, esp. in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himmerland
Or Venetic? Kuhn lists a number of *wend-/*wind- names in those areas.
Torsten