Re: Pekkanen on Sitones

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:

>
> >Wald [ruled] the Woings, Wod the Thuringians,
>
> Wald (along with -bald/-bold) from vb. waltan (> walten; Gewalt)?

I had an idea once that there was extensive w-/g- and j-/g- anlaut vacillation in Northern Europe, see
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/61985
and ff.,
and that that was a mark of a Venetic substrate
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/59332
and ff., eg
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/59384
so Venetic *wald-/*bald-?; the stem seems to have been borrowed in Slavic too.

> >Saeferth the Sycgs, Ongendtheow the Swedes,
>
> What tribe was that of the Sycgs (where in the 6th c.)?

As you can see I'm trying to equate it with the Sidones/Sithones and with the Sedusii. Like the Sycgs, the latter have no good etymology. Nor do the Sidones/Sithones, for that matter.

> The German name Seifert (< Seifried < Sîfrit "Siegfried") has lots
> of variants, inter alia: Seiffert, Seyfahrt, Seuffert, Seufried,
> Seidel, Seiferlin(g), Sifferlin, Sifferle, Seiferle, Seifarth,
> Seyffarth, Sievers, Sievert(s)(en), Siffert, Siefers, Siewers,
> Siewert...
>
> (Not Siffrin: this one is... Severinus, a.k.a. Frings.)
> (Not Jewish Saffran, Schaffran, Safren, Safrien, Safrin, Schifrin,
> Sufrin cf. saffron < either Severin or zaferan, zafaran, zarparan.)

I suppose that depends on how you look at the earliest part of German/Jewish interaction.

> Most of Seifert/Seifarth are spread in the south of East-Germany
> and Silezia, Siever-, Siefer-, Siewer- in Northern Germany
> (Hamburg etc.).

I had an army buddy named Sivertsen.


Torsten