Re: Schöffe I

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:

>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sceafa
> >is supposedly just a name.
>
> Langobardic. ("Schaffe, schaffe, Heisle baue". :))
>
> >Re: the form Seskef, cf.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saphrax
> >
> >which has been proposed to be *sā fra(ŋ)k "the bold one"
>
> Ebenda: <<Saphrax is generally regarded as having an Alan name:
> see Bernard Bachrach, /A history of the Alans in the West/...>>

Claus Deleuran
Illustreret Danmarkshistorie for folket
4. del: Den yngre eller Romerske Jernalder
p. 44

'Alatheus & Safrac blev under ét, via oldengelsk: "Se Frecne" og olddansk: Sa-Frac ('sa' var påpegende pronomen i vikingetiden og 'frac', beslægtet med 'fræk') husket som Ali-inn-Frøkni på islandsk og på Saxos Latin: Olo Vegetius - hvilket begge betyder Ole den tapre, som efterfulgte Harald Hildetand.

Alatheus huskedes desuden af Saxo som Lotherus, søn af Dan og bror og efterfølger til Humble samt i den islandske 'Heidriks Saga' som Hloðr, Heidriks søn og dattersøn af Hunekongen Humble.

Safrac blev via tysk 'Sifeca' husket som Sifka, der er blevet til to damer: Hunekongen Humbles datter, og mor til Hloðr, og finnepigen Sifka, der viser sig som falsk rådgiver, endvidere via tysk 'Sibicho' husket som den islandske kong Jormereks og Saxos kong Jarmericus' falske rådgiver Bikke, som et eller andet sted siges at være identisk med Harald Hildetands rådgiver Brune der druknede i en å, og i hvis skikkelse Odin fremkaldte krigen med sine falske råd.'

"Alatheus & Safrac were collectively, via Old English: "Se Frecne" and Old Danish: Sa-Frac ('sa' was a demonstrative pronoun in the viking age and 'frac', related to 'fræk' "bold, insolent" [German 'frech']) remembered as Ali-inn-Frøkni in Icelandic and in Saxo's Latin: Olo Vegetius - which both mean Ole the Brave, who succeeded Harald Hildetand.

Alatheus was further remembered by Saxo as Lotherus, son of Dan and brother and successor of Humble plus in the Icelandic 'Heidriks Saga' as Hloðr, son of Heidrik and a daughter of the Hune king Humble.

Safrac via German 'Sifeca' was remembered as Sifka, which has become two ladies: the daughter of the Hune king Humble, and mother of Hloðr, and the Finn girl Sifka, who turns out to be a false advisor, further via German 'Sibicho' remembered as the Icelandic king Jormerek's and Saxo's king Jarmericus' false advisor Bikke, who somewhere is said to be identical to Harald Hildetand's advisor Brune who drowned in a brook, and in whose shape Odin provoked the war with his false advice."

Footnote:
'Ovenstående viser udmærket, hvad der sker i sagn. Af en mands hele liv huskes kun, at han skulle have givet nogle dårlige råd, og at der var noget med en flod. På grund af forkert stavning opfattes hans navn som et pigenavn og så digter eftertiden selv videre. Inspirationen til Jordanes' (og Cassiodorus') hævnende brødre, Harmathius og Sarus er åbenlyst de antikke 'tyrandræbere' Harmodios og Aristogeiton, af hvilke, en statue er bevaret til idag (sikkert i Vatikanet).'

"the above shows very well, what happens in oral tales. Of the whole life of a man is remembered only that he supposedly gave bad advice, and that there was something with a river. Because of some faulty spelling his name is understood as a girl's name and then posterity dreams on on that. The inspiration for Jordanes' (and Cassiodorus') avenging brothers, Harmathius and Sarus is obviously the 'tyrant killers' of antiquity, Harmodios og Aristogeiton, of whom a en statue has been preserved until today (probably in the Vatikan).'


Deleuran has a long list of sources, but due to his narrative style he doesn't reference them in the text.



Torsten