Re: The uselessness of "discussions" with Torsten

From: Torsten
Message: 67515
Date: 2011-05-07

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> Nothing much seems to have changed. Our Snorrist continues to come
> up with scenario after scenario to maintain the basic views of
> Heimskringla about eastern invasions. Forbidden direct allusions to
> Odin and company, he has now concocted alternatives, with Maeotians
> and Bastarnians performing the roles. And I am sure this will go on
> forever. So I will end my participation in this scientifically
> useless exercise with quotes from a great philosopher and political
> theorist (I have cited him before). Substitute "Snorrism or
> equivalents" (mutatis mutandis) for the anti-Semitic ideology James
> Burnham uses as his primary example and you'll get the gist of the
> TP approach.
>
> "A convinced believer in the anti-Semitic ideology tells me that the
> Bolshevik revolution is a Jewish plot. I point out to him that the
> revolution was led to its first major victory by the non-Jew, Lenin.
> He then explains that Lenin was the pawn of Trotsky, Radek, Kamenev,
> Zinoviev and other Jews who were in the Bolshevik High Command. I
> remind him that Lenin's successor as leader of the revolution, the
> non-Jew Stalin, killed off all those Jews; and that Stalin has been
> followed by the non-Jew Khrushchev, under whose rule there have been
> notable revivals of anti-Semitic attitudes and conduct. He then
> informs me that the seeming Soviet anti-Semitism is only a fraud
> invented by the Jewish press, and that Stalin and Khrushchev are
> really Jews whose names have been changed, with a total substitution
> of forged records. Suppose I am able to present documents that even
> he will have to admit show this to be impossible. He is still
> unmoved. He tells me that the real Jewish conspiracy is not in
> Russia anyway, but in Antwerp, Tel Aviv, Lhasa, New York, or
> somewhere, and that it has deliberately eliminated the Jews from the
> public officialdom of the Bolshevik countries in order to conceal
> its hand and deceive the world about what is going on. Q.E.D. ...
>  An ideologist-- one who thinks ideologically-- can't lose. He can't
> lose because his answer, his interpretation and his attitude have
> been determined in advance of the particular experience of
> observation. They are derived from the ideology, and are not subject
> to the facts. There is no possible argument, obervation or
> experiment that could disprove a firm ideological belief for the
> very simple reason that an ideologue will not accept any argument,
> observation or experiment as constituting disproof. "


Wouldn't it be easier just to answer the question? Did the Bastarnae live in the area east of the Carpathians, ie Moldova, in the period 3rd cent BCE - 3rd cent. CE, yes or no? What are all those inhumation graves doing in the area where the Bastarnae lived, if the Bastarnae supposedly knew only cremation? The fact that Nicoliţa doesn't mention the Bastarnae can hardly change the fact that this is where they lived?
Plutarch: Cicero
'When he [ie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonius_Hybrida ]
tried the same tactics on the allies in Moesia [61 BCE], he was defeated near the city of the Istrians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histria_(ancient_city)
by the Bastarnian Scythians who came to their aid; and thereupon he ran away.'

Note that also Hachmann seemed to waver in his assignment of traces of the Ariovistus invasion to Eastern Germanic provenance.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/55551
Who are those good archaeologists (and historians) you refer to who give us reliable information about the Poeneşti-Lukaševka culture of the Bastarnian communities?



Torsten