Re: Tudrus

From: t0lgsoo1
Message: 67067
Date: 2011-01-10

> That's very interesting. PIE is supposed to have to roots
>*dheh1- "put, place" and *doh3- "give". I've always suspected
>they were generalized alloforms of a single paradigm (but
>both actually occur also in Uralic and Kartvelian, so from
>where?); semantically it would not be a problem, if the verb
>originated in 'sacrificial technology', "to give" is not
>incompatible with "to put on the (sacrificial) table", and,
>since PIE *dh -> Gmc. *d and PIE *d -> Grm. *t (cf. also the
>sense "put" in German 'reintun', your examples suggest that
>both alloforms survived in German dialects.

rein tun, hinein tun > reidoa, neidoa (or rei doa, nei doa)


- weh tun: "weh doa": http://is.gd/ktJdp (2870 results)
- "weh toa": http://is.gd/ktJZw (242 results)

A Bavarian-Suebian mixture containing "hineintun" as "neidoa".

(Note that a western province of the state Bavaria is
linguistically Suebia: "Regierungsbezirk Schwaben" with the
cities Augsburg, Landsberg, Memmingen.)

"Wail mia des Bia scho vo Muaters Duddla auszuazlet
hand, wisset mia, dass des des Unsrig isch. Drum hamma
uns zum saufa naghockt und im herbscht null via da
dreizehachtazwanzg be vau gmacht. Jetz ischs soweit
und mir hams sogar in da Compjutr nei doa."

http://www.1328-bv.de/

It has "nei doa" = "hineintun" (here "nei doa" = "hinein
getan"!) and other typical features (zum Saufa = zu saufen,
des = das, scho = schon, vo = von, hamma = haben wir).

But "wisset", "Herbscht", and above all "isch" (ist),
"isch" (ist es) are Suebian (Schwäbisch). (I don't know
why "naghockt" and not "neighockt".)

A Suebian example containing "doa" for "tun", <guat doa>
(gut tun):

Wär net berait isch a wengele omzudenka, der hot uff
derra Seit nix zlacha. ..... bis du halt gmerkt hoscht,
du bischt oiner, wenn du net do bischt merkt des koiner,
... a jedem Menscha guat doa mag, denn Vitamine braucht
dr Ranza, ...

(isch = ist, uff = auf, der(r)a = deren, zlacha = zu lachen,
hoscht = hast, (k)oiner = (k)einer, dr = der)

http://www.mamaku.de/Schwaebisches.htm

George