Re: Limigantes

> > > OTOH, note the words of the Livonian Chronicle here
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/57554
> >
> > This part?
> > "the mysterious tribe the Weneden which according to Heinrich von
> > Lettland were driven out of the settlements between the rivers
> > Venta and Musza and after long wanderings settled among the
> > Latgalians"
>
> Yes. And before you object the obvious: I think these Weneden were
> stragglers left behind.
>
>
> > > > > > This is far off from the standard view. For starters, if
> > > > > > the speakers of Proto-Baltic-Finnic were the Aestii, then
> > > > > > the Vepses and Karelians descend from them, rather than
> > > > > > being contemporary with them.
>
> Too rigid. Other possibilites:
> 1) the Aestii spoke (initially) *a* Baltic Finnic language
> 2) the Veps and Karelians were driven out by arriving Aestii
> occupying Finland and Eesti.
>
> ****R Aren't Veps and Karelian closer to Finnish than Estonian?
>

Dammit, you're right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages

How about this then:

Southern Baltic Finnic (Estonian, South Estonian, Võro, Livonian and Votic) are the old Aesti, having in their present territories replaced
Northern Baltic Finnic (Finnish, Ingrian, Karelian proper, Lude,
Olonets Karelian, Veps), pushing them north and east?


Torsten