Re: Master of the twelve

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > I'll sum up:
> > *aNsu-/*aNsura- (non-IIR *esu-) means not only "master", it means
> > "master of the twelve"; as the sun is the master of the houses of
> > the zodiac, the *aNsu- etc is master of twelve houses/peoples on
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> You appear to be confusing two different words: 'breathing, being,
> spirit, god' and 'existing, good, master'.

I do?

Pokorny
ansu-, ņsu- ,Geist, Dämon'.
Ai. ásu-, av. aŋhu- ,Lebenshauch, Welt', davon
ai. ásu-ra-, av. ahura- ,Machthaber' (*ņsu-);
ven. ahsu- (= āsu-) ,Kultbild' = germ. *ansuz ,Gott, Ase'
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aisl. āss,
run. a[n]suR,
ags. ōs ,Ase',
got.-lat. anses ,Halbgötter'.

Vielleicht zu an(ə)- ,atmen'.
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esu-s (: su-) ,gut, tüchtig'.
Gr. `εύς, `ηύς ,tüchtig, gut',
Adverb ε`υ~ (Akk. n.),
Präfix ε`υ- gehört zu
hitt. a-aš-śu-uš (assu-s) ,gut';
zum a- s. Pedersen Hitt. 167 u. Anm.;
vielleicht als Schwundstufe dazu (Friedrich IF. 41, 370 f.) das Präfix su-, s. dort;
hierzu vielleicht
lat. erus ,Herr', fem. era, alat. esa ,Herrin';
doch ist hitt. iš-ha-a-aš (ishas) ,Herr' fernzuhalten, da dies zu
arm. isxan ,Herr', isxal ,herrschen' gehört (?),
das selbst nichtidg. Herkunft ist (Couvreur H 9);
fern bleiben gall. GN Esus (mit Ä"-), wohl wegen der Namen mit Aes-, Ais- am ehesten zu 1. ais- oder 2. ais- (oben S. 16), weniger wahrscheinlich zu 2. eis- (oben S. 299); ebenso der air. PN Éogan (*ivogenos) und der cymr. PN Owein (älter Ywein, Eugein, Ougen) = air. PN Úgaine (*owogenios), vgl. dazu Bergin Ériu 12, 224 f.



I think the Venetic and Germanic forms of the root Pokorny reconstructs as ansu-, ņsu- are borrowed from an Iranian language. Since I also think the PIE ablaut vowel e/o/zero originated in PPIE /a/ I propose that Pokorny's two entries should be one, PPIE *aNsu- -> PIE *e(:)su-, with loss of nasalization (which is kept in IIr). Further, I think they are related to (identical with?) Pokorny's
awes- ,leuchten', bes. vom Tagesanbruch;
ă:us-, wes-, us-; (ă:)us-ōs- f. ,Morgenröte';
*aus-tero- ,östlich' ... ;
auso- ,Gold'.
which should then be PPIE *aNs- -> PIE *aUs-,
which woulf mesh nicely with the supreme god being master of the Zodiac, ie. the sun. Etruscan usil "sun" gives reason to suspect the whole complex isn't IE in origin.

> What is the N in *aNsu-/*aNsura- supposed to mean?

Capital per convention means superscript, so it indicates that the vowel before it is nasalized.



Torsten