> http://tinyurl.com/342s42x
> [Lesser races inhabit Sarmatia near the Vistula river. Below the
> Venedae are the Gythones, then the Finni, then the Sulones; below
> whom are the Phrungundiones; then the Avarini near the source of the
> Vistula river; below these are the Ombrones]
>
> ***R Perhaps his "Suiones" were the ancestors of the Svea
That's the general consensus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes_(Germanic_tribe)
Note the relationship between Svear and Goths; I think the Svear colonization of Sweden might have been the reason why the Goths preferred to move to the southern shore of the Baltic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths#Early_records_at_the_Baltic_Sea
--BTW, is
> there any link at all between Svea, Suionoes and Schwaben (or Swoop,
> as my Schwab ancestors spelled it)?
Zwaaf, as the Dutch spell it.
> Or is this a cheap fancy of popular lit. that bases them all on
> su- + whatever?
No, that's me being cheap, with my magical *λaN-:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66013
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/54560
I'll add a few more for the hell of it:
*λáN-aN- -> *leN-oN- *lem-ow->
*λáN-aN- -> *gloN-oN- *glomm-a->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemovii
*λáN-aN- -> *xláN-aN- -> xléN-oN- -> *hiléI-on-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilleviones
*λáN-s-r- -> *sxaN-s-r- -> *sxambr- -> suγámr-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugambri
For some reason Pekkanen hasn't used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widsith
much; from Wikipedia's Swede article
Wald Woingum, Wod þyringum,
Sæferð Sycgum, Sweom Ongendþeow,
Sceafthere Ymbrum, Sceafa Longbeardum,
Wald [ruled] the Woings, Wod the Thuringians,
Saeferth the Sycgs, Ongendtheow the Swedes,
Sceafthere the Umbers, Sceafa the Langobards,
I'll guess
Woing = Vangiones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vangiones
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29871
Sycgs = Sidones/Sithones
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66953
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silingi#Ancient_sources
Umbers = Ambrones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrones
The Swabians in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabia
later
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamannia
(after some equivalent of 'civil rights' included the former douloi in the tribe, I believe)
would be the descendants of Ariovistus'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi
*possibly* named from the Suiones, which would make up part of the new society in Przeworsk-land, after the invasion/flight of the Bastarnae.
Just a side remark:
Re the two invasions into Denmark from the south in the beginning of our era and in the 200's:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66612
I think the first one was by the Heruli
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erilaz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heruli
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66953
("the masters", cf. Ernout-Meillet's 'Le mot est souvent mis dans la
bouche des esclaves')
which were by the second driven out by the invading Danes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danes#Origins
a people plagued by slavers (= Daoi; Daos and Geta were slave names in Athens);
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/11971
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66827
interestingly, the free
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacians
people of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costoboci
were invaded around 170 CE.
Torsten