Re: Sulones = Suiones?

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 66979
Date: 2010-12-21




From: Torsten <tgpedersen@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:27:22 PM
Subject: [tied] Sulones = Suiones?

 



> Anyway, Pekkanen has some data which might corroborate the scenario
> you mentioned.
>
Same argument, improved version:

Tuomo Pekkanen
The Ethnic Origin of the δουλοσπό�οι
pp. 48-55

'THE SULONES OF PTOLEMY
Ptolemy describes Scandinavia as follows:
Geog. 2, 11, 16
`απ`ο ανατολω~ν δ`ε τη~ς κιμβ�ικη~ς χε�σονήσου δ' νη~σοι α´ι καλο�μεναι σκανδίαι, γ' μ`εν μικ�α`ι . . . μία δε μεγίστη και `ανατολικωτάτη κατ`α τ`ας `εκβολ`ας του~ ο`υιστο�λα ποταμου~ . . . καλει~ται δ`ε `ιδίως κα`ι αυτ`η σκανδία, κα`ι κατέχουσιν αυτής τ`α μ`εν δυτικ`α χαι­δεινο`ι, τ`α δ' `ανατολικ`α φαυόναι κα`ι φι�αι~σοι, τ`α δ' `α�κτικά φι~ννοι, τ`α δ`ε μεσημβ�ιν`α γου~ται κα`ι δαυκίονες, τ`α δ`ε μέσα λε�ωνοι.
http://www.duerinck.com/ptolemy.html
[To the east of the [Cimbrian] peninsula four [islands] called Scandia, ... The greatest one and more to the east near the mouth of the Vistula river, ... And this is called Scandia locally, and is occupied in the west by the Chaideini, in the east by the Fauona, and the Firaisi, and in the south by the Goutii and the Dauciones, and in the centre by the Leuoni.]
Of the ancient writers, only the sixth-century historiographer Jordanes was more familiar with this area than Ptolemy. Therefore it is surprising that the Suiones do not appear among the seven Scandinavian tribes that Ptolemy enumerates. K. Müller, however, has pointed out that Ptol. Geog. 3, 5, 8 σο�λωνες, the name of an otherwise unknown tribe on the eastern bank of the Vistula, may easily be emended to σουίωνες.1 Ptolemy's passage on the Suiones reads as fol­lows:
`ελάττονα δ`ε `έθνη νέμεται τ`ην σα�ματίαν πα�`α μ`εν τ`ον ο`υϊστο�λαν ποταμ`ον ´υπ`ο το`υς ο`υενέδας γ�θωνες, ε`ι~τα φίννοι, ε`ι~τα σο�λωνες· ´υφ` ο´`υς φ�ουγουδίωνες, ε`ι~τα α`υα�ινο`ι πα�`α τ`ην κεφαλ`ην του~ ο`υϊστο�λα ποταμου~· ´υφ` ο´`υς `ό μ β � ω ν ε ς κτλ.
http://tinyurl.com/342s42x
[Lesser races inhabit Sarmatia near the Vistula river. Below the Venedae are the Gythones, then the Finni, then the Sulones; below whom are the Phrungundiones; then the Avarini near the source of the Vistula river; below these are the Ombrones]


***R Perhaps his "Suiones" were the ancestors of the Svea --BTW, is there any link at all between Svea, Suionoes and Schwaben (or Swoop, as my Schwab ancestors spelled it)?  Or is this  a cheap fancy of popular lit. that bases them all on su- + whatever?