Re: Jordanes

From: Alexandru Moeller
Message: 66862
Date: 2010-11-08

Am 07.11.2010 22:40, schrieb Torsten:
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>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cybalist%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Alexandru Moeller <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> >
> > how his ethnic background was getic when his descendende/liniage on
> > his father side is Gothic?
>
> He doesn't say so.

well, teh text, you provided means:

Jordanes, on his own background
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanes#Life
'The Sciri, moreover, and the Sadagarii and certain of the Alani with
their leader, Candac by name, received Scythia Minor and Lower Moesia.
Paria, the father of my father Alanoviiamuth (that is to say, my
grandfather), was secretary to this Candac as long as he lived. To his
sister's son Gunthigis, also called Baza, the Master of the Soldiery,
who was the son of Andag the son of Andela, who was descended from the
stock of the Amali, I also, Jordanes, although an unlearned man before
my conversion, was secretary.'

I am not aware about Paria and Baza as beeing Thracian names. The other
names which are mentioned here do not appears to be Dacian or Thracian
either(Candac, Alanoviiamuth, Andag, Andela, Amali, Gunthigis), probalby
they are Sarmatic (Alans, Roxolans)


>
> > As for the name Jordanes, maybe he took a christian name which was
> > appropiate to the Dacian *Durdanus,
>
> Diurdanus (ie. Djurdanus)
>
> > this appears to be workable hypothesis but why should have a Goth a
> > Dacian name ?
>
> Who says he's a Goth?
>
> > P.S.
> > -it can be that even the well known "Dardanus" is too a reflex of
> > Durdanes
>
> Diurdanus

The form Diur- shold be an younger one, the initial form has been
"dur-" as in Durazis, Durpaneus, etc.
The change "du>diu>3u" does not shows any phonetic troubles if the "J"
was pronounced as a consontant like in Joe.




>
> > and shouldn't be treated separately off this group of names.
> >
>
> Detschew divides that name as *dard- plus end�ng and lists forms with
> other endings.
>
> Torsten


I am not allways happy with the way Detschew divides some words when
sustaining some ideas in the "Charakteristik der thrakischen Sprache).
Yet, missing his book where he send someone to read about, I am missing
the basis of understanding his reasons to divide the words as such.

Alex