Vanr (was: Re: [tied] Áss etc.)

> > > First, this borrowing occurred long ago, before borrowing >
> > > FU (if, as likely, it was borrowed),
> >
> > What are you dating this by?
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> There are various groups of gods, etc., borrowed > Gmc (or
> possibly some only > North Gmc). Some are IE, but not Gmc because
> of the retained C, V, etc., like a group associated w the Divine
> Mead:
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> Kvasir < * kwat.s.yó+ < ... 'boil, brew, foam, steam' (ca:seus
> 'cheese' L; kvasU OBg; but hwaþjan 'to foam' Go; etc.)
>
> Gillingr < * gWd.el+ 'bubbling, dripping, etc.' (jala- 'water', S;

Quelle 'spring of water', quellen 'flow/gush' NHG;)

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> Suttungr < * sewt+ (but t > þ in Gmc; seething, etc.)
>
>
> These can be put into stages, most of which precede any apparent contact w FU,

These examples fail to reflext Grimm's Law, hence they postdate Proto-Germanic. Loanwords into Baltic Finnic however exist from *before* Proto-Germanic as well. So examples from an older stage would be better here.

> and since the languages of previous peoples is otherwise unknown, and FU seems to have come from the east, a common non-Gmc non-FU origin is likely.

Yes, but a priori there is no reason to prefer the route Substrate > Gmc, Substrate > BF over Substrate > Gmc > BF or Substrate > BF > Gmc.

John Vertical