>and I'm beginning to suspect you don't know it yourself.
No comment. (I've had enough of the bunkum.)
I regret having started this secondary thread. Indeed, the other George is right. A pity that I didn't get it earlier (since I read less than a 1/4 of what's posted on cybalist). In your case, "hops and malts are lost" as
well as "dbddhkp" are sayings fitting 100%. The best solution: plonk-o-mat.
Alles Gute.
George