Re: 'dyeus'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:

>
> >>>>*tieŋ- vs. *dieŋ-
>
> Note that the 1st vowel in those variants of TANGRA is rather
> [a] and [æ] (spelling it tängra, tängri would be better); it seems
> that > tengri is a Turkic "habit" (this a > e tendency is very
> strong in Turkish; perhaps similar in Mongolian and other
> neighbor languages, e.g. Tibetan, I don't know, but I hear
> "om meni pedme hum" instead of "om mani padme hum". :))

Okay.

>
> >cf. the thread starting at
> >http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/63872
>
> Well, but if "thraïn" (with its initial cluster) is supposed to be
> the "egg" for what has become tängri > tanrı/tenrı, then this might
> look as a way different world, a different... man*tra*. :)

It isn't. I don't know where you get that from.
Early Middle Chinese thraïŋj-li according to Pulleyblank
http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/63872
is a loan from Xiongnu, ie Yeniseian to Chinese, not the other way around.

> (Why didn't the
> borrowers"solve" _thra-_ *ataran, *atran, *eteren, *etirin, *itrin,
> *itırın, *ütürün, *ötörön or *taran, teren, tirin, türün or so? Such
> creations would've sounded more "turkic", "mongolian" and "uralic".

Erh, what?

> By the way: is there indeed any semantic link betw. tängri and
> the Sumerian _dingir_?)

That sounds like an interesting suggestion, given that Etruscan also has Tin.

> And then: _thraïn_ becomes _tharn_? If, so, again, why tangr-?

It seems you can't rid of the idea that anything complicated must be loaned from a Hochkultur. Give it up. As it stands, the word for the highest god seems to have been loaned from Siberian squirrel hunters. Live with it.

> (No wonder that Turks and Mongols "solved" that as tan_rI and
> ten_ger, and Chinese as tcheng-li. But even if the initial unknown
> word was non-PIE, non-Uralic, non-Turkic, --NGR--, seems usual
> for "indoeuropean" languages (cf. Tancred, Pancratius, mangrove,
> mongrel, encre, increase, synchro- ..., although -NKR-/-NGR-
> aren't abundant).

Erh, and the PIE credentials for those are ...?


Torsten