>>Why should it be (not the other way around)?
>
>Hehe, you didn't like that?
Quite the contrary, ich komme Dir entgegen (you know, "die Asen",
i.e. Uuodans Leute. Since the Altai region was their easternmost
territory, so that one might assume that "dies/day" etc. was earlier
than "tangrikut". :-)).
>Because it's possible to unite the two reconstructed forms PIE *di-ew
>and *di-en by positing that they were from *di-eÅ, which is not a
>standard rule in PIE, so Occam tells us to seek a solution outside PIE.
Yeah. But one has to take more and more into consideration the
fact that PIE speakers were or could have been "a substrate" to much
of tribal configurations later known as "Turkic" populations & the
like. Pre-historic PIE people (have) coexisted for many millennia
with "Turkic" and "ugric"/"Uralic" ones.
>so why not throw in
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisza
>former Pathissus (Pa River?)
This is rather an den Haaren herbeigezogen (and maybe by some
Hungarian protochronists). But if yes, what's the link between
thissus "river(?)" and diwus+tang(ri)/teng(ri)? The latter at least
have the semantics "light, bright; divine + sky; divine".
>>"God" is the secondary meaning of TANG-/TENG-/TING- (or TNGR);
>>the primary meaning of it is "(the blue) sky".
>
>Both in Turkic and IE the *tieÅ- means
>1. sky,
>2. the Sky God.
>Which sense was primary is a moot point.
It'd be a long way from the "sky" to thissus "river; Fluss (fliessen)"
although "panta rhei". And I don't think that Hungarian could offer
a link via tenger ['taen-gaer] "sea". (A Turkic river, running water
is rather... su.)
BTW, there was a place in Dacia called Patavissa (Patauissa),
called by the Roman administration Potaissa. Today, its name
is Turda (Hungarian Torda, German T(h)orenburg), in the Cluj
county. But its quite far from Tisa/Tisza (about 200 km south
of where it starts and 300-400 and more km from where Tisa's
plains in East Hungary and Northern Serbia).
In that region, there was (prior to the Roman conquest) a quite
massive Celtic presence (interesting objects were found, e.g.
http://www.satumare.insse.ro/phpfiles/1098608537_1_2059946589.jpg
in the neighboring county, west of Cluj); the territory also belonged
to the realm of the Germanic Gepids (under Ardarich & Co.).
Vandals also cross the region or the adjacent regions North of
it. (Followed by Avars and Slavs, and lesser known tribes speaking
Turkic and Iranian idioms.)
>They had similar lifestyles, but different languages.
Before being gradually assimilated into "Turkic", "Uralic" and
"Mongolic" environments, those relevant "Asen" had spoken
various PIE idioms (which is reflected even in the main and
old vocabulary of Hungarian, whose words for "god, devil,
some spirits, lady, gold, silver, cart, sword, bridge etc. are of
Alanian and Persian descent; even the Persian notion Ahriman
is reflected in that vocabulary from times prior to Slavic and
German influences. So why should other Asian idioms be
"exempted"? They aren't.).
One of the artefacts once belonging to some "upper crust" guy
from those Saka/Scythian populations in the Altaic region were
these, unearthed from a tumulus there, in the vicinity of the
Issyk Lake (Issyk kul = Isîk göl):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Issyk_Golden_Cataphract_Warrior.jpg
This kind of people (esp. warriors) reached in certain periods
even Scotlan (e.g. Sarmatians under Romans), the Iberian
peninsula (Alans along with the Vandals, Goths and Suebians:
"Gotalania" = Catalunya; Andalusia), and North Africa (Alans as
"junior partners" of the Vandals).
The "cataphract"-wearing mounted soldiers had special warring
techniques quite superior to those used by Romans, Celts and
Germanic contemporaries; in the 2nd century Chr. era Roman
cavalery adopted even the dragon-kite-banner of those eastern
"cousins" (the carrier was called "draconarius"). There is a theory
stating that king Arthur and his knights are rather the memory
of the Sarmatian warriors employed by Romans in Britain.
>They didn't change language much, but sought other solutions to
>the problem of someone else's power structure on the land they felt
>was theirs, or ought to be.
Methinks, however, that any piece of info pertaining to those
numerous pre-historic/ancient PIE-language groups ("Scythians",
"Yuzhues", "Kushanites", "Hephtalites" etc.) after all could be of
interest to you in "Odin's" context. (In that PIE-Uralic-Altaic
"interface", methinks one has to be careful when evaluating
what's the hen and the egg.) It took many centuries until various
such populations became more or less Turkic (Avars, Khazars,
Patzinaks, Qiptchaks ("red Scythians") a.k.a. Cumans = Tatars
and Oguz-Turks as well as Uygur-Turks (which today is also
confirmed by genetic research, as well as by occurrences here
and there of individuals with remnants of the europid features,
even in Mongolians and Xinjiang).
Cf.:
Davis-Kimball, Jeannine. 2002. Warrior Women: An Archaeologist's Search for History's Hidden Heroines. Warner Books, New York. 1st Trade printing, 2003. ISBN 0-446-67983-6
Bulletin of the Asia Institute: The Archaeology and Art of Central Asia. Studies From the Former Soviet Union. New Series. Edited by B. A. Litvinskii and Carol Altman Bromberg. Translation directed by Mary Fleming Zirin. Vol. 8, (1994)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_burials
Konstantin C^ugunov, Hermann Parzinger, Anatoli Nagler: Der skythische Fürstengrabhügel von Aran 2 in Tuva. Vorbericht der russisch-deutschen Ausgrabungen 2000-2002. In: Eurasia Antiqua 9 (2003)
Prof. Parzinger (Dt. Archäol. Inst. Munich) & his & Russian teams
(incl. elements on genetic, DNA, tests):
in German(1/4 - 4/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUkeSm8A9Ws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lwRC3rknns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxgQVLY2o_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glLClnyCmu4
(Researcher A. Nagler is an ethnic German from Russia)
"Andronovo culture"
George