Res: [tied] Re: 'dyeus'

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 66503
Date: 2010-08-31

I think the main basis for assumption that *Dyeus had a heavenly consort *Dyu-nih2 was a comparation of Juno to Greek Dione, but there's no other cognate. I prefer a heavenly couple instead of a Sky-Earth pair, because I think this couple was Pre-Indo-European, maybe Sumerian.

JS Lopes



De: Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 30 de Agosto de 2010 21:34:06
Assunto: Re: [tied] Re: 'dyeus'

 




From: Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 7:50:43 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: 'dyeus'

 

W dniu 2010-08-30 21:13, dgkilday57 pisze:

> There is no good reason why the principal god of the Jovian religion
> should have had a reconstructible consort. It is very difficult to
> connect <Ju:no:> with <Ju:piter> etymologically and I prefer to connect
> with <ju:ni:x> 'heifer', <ju:nior> 'younger', <juvencus> 'young bull',
> <juvenis> 'young man', etc. I do not regard Juno as a goddess of youth
> as such, but of fecundity, and her epithet <Lu:cina> refers to leading
> babies, calves, etc. into the light. She appears to have been originally
> a Q-Italic goddess (not mentioned in the Iguvine Tables, but worshipped
> at Falerii, Lanuvium, and other "Latin" towns), borrowed by the
> Etruscans of Veii and Caere as Uni. Her association with Jupiter does
> not appear explicitly before the lectisternium of 217 BCE, and should be
>
regarded as an artefact of Hellenization, identifying her with Hera, not
> an ancient feature.

In her 2004 article on IE nasal stems, Birgit Olsen discusses the
etymology of <Iu:no:> in a footnote, suggesting, as one of the
possibilities (beside the <iuvenis> connection), a "Hoffmannian" preform
like *djú-h3(o)n- 'having heavenly authority' > pre-Latin
*juwo:/*ju:nis, regularised into Lat. iu:no:/iu:no:nis. While the
proposed normalisation may look somewhat acrobatic, at least she points
out that the expected weak stem *iu:n- is attested as the base of
<iu:nius> 'June'. Of course *h2ju-h3(o)n- 'young' could have produced
identical derivatives, which Olsen duly admits.

Piotr

Interesting. What do you think of the traditional Latin attribution of May as the month of the maiores and June as the month of the juniores? Is it folk etymology?