Re: Implications of Bangani

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> > As I was planning to discuss Bangani

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> *kYr,Ngo-s > Khow surùng 'horn', Skt kuluNgá-s / kulaNgá-s / kuraNga-s
> 'antelope', RV kuruNgá-s (a name)
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> *kYerbero-s > G Kérberos (a name of a dog), S çabála-s, karbura- /
> karvara- / çarvara- etc. 'spotted, etc.'
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> I-I *kYaNkHa-s 'conch shell' > kambu- / çambu- 'shell'
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> with k>p by u, as Khow *pr,zdn,kús > *purdumpu^ > *purdúmbù > purdúm
> 'leopard'; and u from nom. -o: as:
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> *maryako:^ 'boy, youth'
> *marryákù:
> *marráku
> *ma:ráku
> *kuma:rá (met.)
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> borrowed into Indic: Vedic kuma:rá-s
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The existence of Khowar òhts 'bear' makes it likely that Finnish otso \ ohto was borrowed from an Indo-Iranian l. like Kh, possibly even proto-Kh. Finnish borrowings from Indo-Iranian and Gmc are known, but this was previously grouped, if at all, with Gmc, in spite of problems with phonology and what the proto-form would have to be and at what stage for changes due to Gmc or borrowing to take place, due to the lack of a suitable known Indo-Iranian source.

The changes like:

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r.ks.A
ur.ks.A
ur.t.s.A
uRt.s.A
uXt.s.A
oXt.s.A
oht.s.A
oht.s.O

Since even the limited change of short A > O occurred in Europe, it seems likely many I-I languages took on their present distinguishing characteristics before spreading throughout Asia. This A > O also in Bangani, so any supposed borrowing of "centum" words needn't have occurred in Asia in recent times. This would obviate the need for an unknown l. or group of l. as a source if incorporated into standard models. Of course, since there are so many mistakes in these standard models, it makes little practical difference.