warm, hot (wind)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> > What reason do you have for deriving this from 'eastern' instead of
> > 'morning', since, as you said/implied, "morning star" is so common a
> > term? If so, the -r- is from -s.- not -s.r.-.
>
> That's the usual explanation, but as Germanic has no unextended reflexes
> of the 'dawn' root, deriving both *austra- and *aura- (rather than
> *auza-) from *ausra- is more economic, since there is independent
> evidence for the loss of *z in *zr. Anyway, *h2ausro- means 'morning' in
> other branches, so I don't have to insist on 'east-wanderer'. It can be
> 'morning-wanderer' just as well.
>
> > The -t- in 'eastern' may not come from -s.r.- at all since it is a
> > derivative of 'morning', a word ending in -wó:s with f/t* (dental) alt.
> > (which words I believe you said probably came from T > s/t in PIE, with
> > no f, etc., mentioned). The -t- is also found in some l. in which there
> > is reason to think no sr>str took place, like Sl * utro.
>
> There are very good reasons to think Slavic <(j)utro> comes from
> *h2ausro- as well. First, Baltic has it (Lith. aus^ra, Latv. austra);
> secondly, Slavic has many traces of the by-form *(j)ustro.
>

Don't forget Latin <Auster> 'South (wind)'. From an IE-ortodox (excuse me for the neologism!) point of view, having a specific meaning of 'warm, hot (wind)' from 'dawn, morning (star)' is a real nightmare.

To solve this problem, I derive these words from IE *Xeidh- 'to burn, fire' (I'm using /X/ in place of traditional /h2/), which gives Latin <aesta:s>, <aesti:vus>, etc. I suppose this root gave *aus- in Thracian (or a related extinct language), where IE *dh > s, which was then borrowed into several languages.