Re: marko- = horse non IE ?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Cuadrado" <dicoceltique@...> wrote:

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> Hello i would like to come back

to topic Marko = Horse

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> * Celtic/Germanic Marko- = Horse
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* Romanian Murg- = Horse

> * Romanian Magar = Donkey and Serbo-Croatian

Magarac = Donkey =

> Metathesis Magar->Makar>Mark- ?
> *

Bulgarian MARAPE (cyrillic caracters) = Donkey

> * Sanskrit Marga/Mrga =

Kinf of antilope and Markata = Spider/Monkey

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> * Baltic Marg-/=

Ox/Cow/Dog

> * Turkish Merkep = Donkey/Horse
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>

asiatic

> Mandchou Morin = Horse
> Japan Ma = Horse
> Corean

Mal = Horse

> Chinese Ma = Horse
> Tibetan = Mrah =

Horse

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--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

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> obviously *marko in PIE

is borrowed from *mor- and suffixed PIE-way, like por-kos.

> The change o > a suggests Germanic can be the intermediate between Central Asia and

Celtic.

IMHO, *marko- 'horse' (hardly a PIE word) isn't a Wanderwort from Altaic *mor- 'horse' as in communis opinio but an old (Mesolithic/Upper Paleolithic) substrate item related to Altaic *n^argu 'young male deer/elk'. I call "Paleo-European" the substrate language(s) from which originated this kind of LW.

Apparently, Paleo-Eurasian (my own version of Russian school's Eurasiatic) initials nasal *n-, *n^- were labialized in Paleo-European as *m- before back vowels /o,u/ (sometimes also before /a/), as in *moro- 'blackberry' ~ Altaic *nur^i- 'a k. of berry, grape' (cfr. Hittite muri- '(bunch of) grapes'), and denasalized as *d- elsewhere, as in Latin da:m(m)a 'fallow deer' ~ Altaic *n^àme 'goat, deer'.