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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet"
> > <fournet.arnaud@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson"
> > <liberty@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The latter from P.I.E. *kan-tlom, no doubt.
> >
> > > How do you explain -tele out of -tlom- ?
> > > Why should it not be kantolo or kantala !?
> > > => very strange vocalic scheme.
> >
> > > 8 messages. None of them explains how kan-tlom could be
> > > become kantele.
>
> I was joking myself, actually, with the recent sitar thread in
> mind, though I find now in the archives that Piotr did indeed
> once suggest such an etymology. Those messages can't be found
> searching for 'kantele', however, as 'kant&le' was used.
>
> See http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48755
> and http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48756 .
>
> David
Well, some odd things have apparently happened since I last looked here.
First, Fin kantele was borrowed from Baltic *kantle: (a feminine form < *kantliya: <mix *kantli:x + *kantla:x, not the neuter referenced above, like Lith kañkle:s) with a final long V > short, then V-insertion in a non-native cluster.
Also, I was absolutely stunned when I saw "I was joking myself". There was no reason he, or I, would think you were joking. The reason? Because kantele and *kantlo- are so obviously related that no one with any knowledge of linguistics and of right mind could think otherwise (I wouldn't even expect anyone who connected them to make an argument, just showing the two words should be enough, as in Piotr's message).
I dislike being accused of incompetence by someone who could not only make this error but then assume his interpretation was so right and obvious that he could make an ironic statement otherwise that would be immediately clear. I don't know why you seem so opposed to ancient borrowings that you would take this path, though your apparent contempt for my work may have influenced you.