From: Torsten
Message: 65672
Date: 2010-01-17
>By whom? Lichardus has to dig up a long past Celtic custom.
> --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Torsten <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> :
> >
> > >
> > > > (2) Przeworsk itself was earlier Germanized by Yastorf
> > > > elements coming in from the West and Northwest.
> > >
> > > That's where I'm not so certain. If Celtic was an elite
> > > language, who knows what language the masses of Przeworsk spoke
> > > before the invasion of the inhumating people.
> > >
> > > GK: Whatever that language was ("Venedic" perhaps) it was
> > > submerged by incoming Yastorf influence (we know there was no
> > > Przeworsk before that happened)whose language was just as
> > > prestigious as Celtic.
> >
> > > The "invasion of the inhumating people" is a fantasy which
> > > exists only in your brain.
> >
> > Because?
> >
> > GK: There is no evidence of any "invasion" such as you propose.
> > The adoption of an inhumation rite (with no discernible Sarmatian
> > characteristics) rather suggests "influence" (not necessarily
> > Sarmatian) on local aristocracies.
>
> I can see Koryakova and Epimakhov's talk of the general?? The point being?
> relationship between nomads and sedentaries is getting to you.
>
> ****GK: What doesn't seem to be getting to you is to stick to the
> point.
> Your keep repeating your baseless mantra about "Sarmatians inActually, I'm considering three, see previous post.
> Przeworsk" (which is your current version of the "Odin invasion").
> And since you have no concrete evidence, you keep falling back onHow come they left no specific trace then?
> irrelevancies. There were no "nomads" among the Przeworsk
> "sedentaries", notwithstanding your verbal flotsam.****
> Here's the deal: there wasn't any 'local aristocracy' in Przeworsk
> to influence.
>
> ****GK: There are top dogs in the simplest villages. There are
> leaders in the most primitive warbands.*****
> > > The Bastarnians had chieftains with Germanic names in the earlyA lot of historians, archaeologists, and linguists have called those three names Germanic?
> > > 2nd c. BCE,
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yl7kc6j
> > I have proposed to explain the Bastarnian names Clonix
>
> ****GK: No such thing. Cf. Piotr's correction.*****
>
> > and Clondicus on the basis of a Grimm-shifted root that would
> > exist in Germanic otherwise only as a loan from a substrate
> > language of people connected with amber-mining. On the basis of
> > that Bastarnian seems to have been para-Germanic. We reached that
> > conclusion years ago. What do you think you achieve with a
> > behavior like that?
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/64761
>
>
> > My "behaviour" consists in restating my view that these names
> > were Germanic, and that the Germanic linguistic identity existed
> > long before the time of Caesar.
>
>
> Exactly. That's your idea of proof. George has said so and by that
> speech act, if necessary, repeating it, it becomes truth.
>
> ****GK: With the importasnt proviso that "George" stands for a lot
> of historians, archaeologists, and linguists, whereas Torsten
> stands for himself+ Snorri Sturluson (:=))).*****