Re: Morimarusa

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > First, regarding (unshifted) Proto-Germanic long tenues, I believe
> > they pass through Grimm-Verner-Kluge unscathed to remain Common
> > Germanic long tenues. I have only two examples. The first, Gothic
> > <atte:kan> 'to touch' (commonly cited in the simplex, which is not
> > attested)
>
> I didn't know that. Do you think the Romance *attak- etc root is related?

No. That one appears to come from Gmc. *stakkan- 'pole, stake, stick' by three or more routes. Gothic *stakka is behind Spanish <estaca>, Frankish *stakka is behind Old French <estache>, and Langobardic *tacca (in my opinion) is behind Old Italian <attaccare>. I do not see the /s/ falling out in Old It. or in Gmc., but in Lgb. The sense development is parallel first to English "stick together", second to "join battle".

More on the other stuff later. I note that the Romance distribution of *natta (Gregory of Tours actually uses <natta> in the 7th cent.) is close to those of *nappa and *nespilum. These appear to be the only such examples, and none is native Latin, for Rom. *m- > *n-. The real problem here is that <mespilum> comes from Greek, and probably from the East, not the West Mediterranean.

DGK