From: Torsten
Message: 65183
Date: 2009-10-05
>Most of those tinyurl's which don't work can be found in this folder:
>
>
> This map
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Germanen_50_n._Chr.png
> shows how far the intruders (Germani in my interpretation, Elbe
> Germani in the standard history) had reached against the original
> inhabitants of Germania (NWBlock in my interpretation, North Sea
> Germani on the standard history, yellow; and Celts-on-the-Rhine in
> my interpretation, Rhine-Weser Germani in the standard history) had
> reached by 50 CE, appr. 100 years after their arrival in Germania
> from the Przeworsk culture (Oder-Warthe Germani in the standard
> history).
>
> Compare with the map of -leben/-lev placenames
> http://tinyurl.com/3au2wx
> it seems to belong to the language of the intruders,
> and the map of names in -ung
> http://tinyurl.com/2jgydq
> which seems to belong to the language of Celts-on-the Rhine (!)
> and the map of names in -hude
> http://tinyurl.com/2wwxbx
> which seems to belong to the language of whoever was there in North
> Germany before the intruders got there (remember the 100 year gap
> between the names (presumably) and the map)
> and the map of names in Büttel etc
> http://tinyurl.com/yofqet
> which seems to belong to a group which ended up in Rückzugsgebiete,
> isolated areas no one else wanted.
>
> The area traditionally ascribed to the ancestors of the Germani, the
> Jastorf culture (dark red in this map)
> http://tinyurl.com/3xpzn8
> (cf with the map above)
> seems to coincide with names with last element -borstel
> http://tinyurl.com/36dj22
> which, although in English placenames it's being correlated with a
> last element *-burg-stal, doesn't seem to be Germanic.