Re: Sos-

From: Torsten
Message: 65157
Date: 2009-09-30

> > > Can you explain Greek <tri:'bo:> 'I rub', 2nd aor. pass.
> > > <etri'be:n> with short /i/?
> >
> > Greek is not my strong suit, but this one I think I can handle by
> > means of another rule I proposed; see the discussion starting in
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46106
> > and
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/47212
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46183
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/49523
> > In casu: tri:b- is a cross between the forms occurring in 3sg
> > *tréIb- and 3pl *trimb-´.
>
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> > Perhaps we can estimate at least the distribution of /a/ vs.
> > e/o/zero from their respective occurrence in eg the *d/tran,W-
> > root in hydronyms, note Udolph's dicussion of the distribution of
> > the roots *Drag- vs. *Dreg- in
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/61626
> > if that root is IE at all; and besides it may just be the name in
> > the language of the people using the rivers for transport, note
> > the Dutch origin of hydronyms such as Kattegat, Skagerrak, North
> > Sea (from Dutch-made charts).
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/58462
> > bottom (but I stick to my semantics for it).
>
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> >
> > > > Class VI 'draw' vs. class I 'drive', perhaps (all of class VI
> > > > strong verbs are best explained as PPGmc -a-/-a:-/-a:-/-a- >
> > > > PGmc -a-/-o:-/-o:-/-a-), Engl. grab vs OIc grípa, Engl. wag
> > > > vs. OIc víkja "move"?

Re your tri:bo: : when I tried to establish the semantic extent of the putative *d/tran,W- root,
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/61626
besides the categories of "pull/carry/drive", "wooden pole", "crew member" and "crew", one of "tremble" also came up (Pokorny:
'dhreugh- ,zittern, (sich) schütteln, einschrumpfen'.
...
1. ter- ,zappeln, zittern'?
Ai. taralá- ,zitternd, zuckend, unstet'; alb. tartal/is ,zapple' (aus redupl. *tar-tar-). ...; 481;
Erweiterungen: tr-em-, tr-es- (Kombinationsform *trems-), tr-ep-.
...
terk-, trek- (tork-, trok-) ,drehen', wohl Erweiterung von 3. ter- ,reiben, drehend reiben'.
...
trem-, trems- (kontaminiert mit tres-) ,trippeln, trampeln' und ,zittern' (dieselbe Doppelbed. bei trep-).
...
1. trep- ,trippeln, trampeln, treten'; tropo-s, tropa: ,Weg'.
...
tres-, ters- (*teres-) ,zittern'.')

which I didn't know how to fit into this water transport framework, so I left it out. But maybe there is a way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculling#Single-oar_sculling
If tri:bo: is part of this complex, we must consider the possibility of it being a loan.


Torsten