Re: Fw: Re: [tied] Re: Frankish origins

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> --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Torsten <tgpedersen@ ...> wrote:
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> The presence of Yazygi in Illyricum is noted and assumable from
> statements by Eusebius and Lucanus.
> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/65077
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> GK: On second thought, I may have made an incorrect assumption
> here about Sarmatian intervention in this war. I don't know
> Eusebius' text, and Harmatta does not reference it. Perhaps the
> Sarmatians were not part of the Pannonian army after all and their
> "subjugation" by Tiberius a mere p.r. note by some Roman historian.

Hahaha. Nice try. Given Tiberius' reputation, that's not very likely. And what would a 3rd-4th century writer gain by doing PR for a 1st century emperor?

****GK: Utilizing a source which has not survived. What would a 4th c. author know about early 1rst c. events otherwise? Learn your ABC's (fat chance...)****

> They may well have stayed north of the Danube throughout the
> campaign (or declined to give help).

If they were north of the Danube and hadn't joined the Pannonians, subjugating them as Eusebius says Tiberius did would mean a separate campaign, further diverting him from his original and most importanmt goal of annihilating the Marcomanni.

****GK: Yawn... Nothing of the sort of course. As usual, these things are clearly over your head. A bachelor's degree in linguistics is obviously not enough to help.****

> No point in further speculation until one sees the text. As for
> Lucan it's clear enough from Harmatta that he is merely referring
> to the Sarmatians' habitat north of the Danube as "close to
> Pannonia", and not to their presence in Illyria. So nothing at all
> is "noted and assumable" afawk.*****

AFAYK.

****GK: F- as usual for our snorrist dilettante. I've given the Lucan passage which Harmatta tried (unsuccessfully) to squeeze his idea from. Above your head too I'm afraid.****