From: Torsten
Message: 65091
Date: 2009-09-22
> --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:That's the competition. May the best candidate win.
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> From: Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Thousand
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 10:53 AM
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> --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Torsten <tgpedersen@... com> wrote:
>
> From: Torsten <tgpedersen@... com>
> Subject: [tied] Thousand
> To: cybalist@... s.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 10:03 AM
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> I think PIE *kentom (PIE kantom?) is *kent-om (PPIE *kant-om?)
> either gpl. "of flocks" or adverbially "flock-wise" , having to do
> with military organization
> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/55551
> It would therefore seem appropriate to look for an etymology for
> 'thousand' (Slav. tyse,t-, Lith. tukstant-, Estonian tuhat, -nde)
> ie. donor language *tu:s-ant- vel sim. (this smells Venetic or Old
> European, but it's North)
>
> The list of PPGmc mobile-stress nouns
> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/62159
> contains, among others, the nouns
> '*þre:xila- (*þraxila-?) : *þreGila- "Diener, Knecht"'
> '*þranxu- : *þranGu-(?) "gedrängt"'
> which shows that the whole *dran,W- complex
> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/60773
> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/58459
> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/61626
> might be part of the language these Germanic words are drawn from
> (probably the ar-/ur- etc language).
> The list also contains
> '*tuxila- : *tuGila- "Band, Riemen, Zügel"'
> '*-tuxan- : *-tuGan- "Führer"'
> probably cognate with Latin dux and Dutch touw "rope"
> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/160
> We have thus a similar semantic spread for both words (they might
> even be related by initial cluster simplification *dran,W- >
> *dan,W- vel sim.; not Baltic Finnic though, which would do *dr- >
> *r-, cf. Estonian rong "train"): "rope team"/"pull" /"barge
> dragger". Therefore it is tempting to implicate that word in the
> "thousand" root too, thus: *tuG-s-ont- "flock-wise" etc.
>
> No swelling here, it seems.
>
> Torsten
>
> "Swollen Ten" is often bandied about, though. Where are they
> getting it from? I've seen something relating it to "thumb" --I
> want to say Watkins, but if not him, someone of his ilk
> Online Etymological Dictionary has the following:
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>
> O.E. þusend, from P.Gmc. *thusundi (cf. O.Fris. thusend, Du.
> duizend, O.H.G. dusunt, Ger. tausend, O.N. þusund, Goth. þusundi);
> related to words in Balto-Slavic (cf. Lith. tukstantis, O.C.S.
> tysashta, Pol. tysiac, Czech tisic), and probably ultimately a
> compound with indefinite meaning "several hundred" or "a great
> multitude" (with first element perhaps related to Skt. tawas
> "strong, force"). Used to translate Gk. khilias, L. mille, hence
> the refinement into the precise modern meaning. There was no
> general IE word for "thousand." Slang shortening thou first
> recorded 1867. Thousand island dressing (1916) is presumably named
> for the region of New York on the St. Lawrence River.