From: caotope
Message: 64970
Date: 2009-09-02
> > --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Etherman23 <etherman23@> wrote:Loans with *H > *j? Never saw any, tho a number of roots with *-x- are reconstructed with *-j- in older works (offhand: at least *pexi- "to cook")
> > However, there are two distinct sources for the laryngeals. IE *H also corresponds to Uralic *j. This seems pretty solid in word initial position, but I'm also coming to think that this held in non-word initial position as well (perhaps in all syllable initial positions, it's not perfectly clear yet). This second correspondence is important because examples of the first correspondence are often considered to be borrowings from IE into PU (or one of its daughters).
> ***R Would English ice < gicel < *Hieg/k- (vel sim) and Uralic *jäNe work as examples?Which would probably have to be from a sister group to both IE and Uralic then? *ä > i is too new to be from any extant Uralic group (for example, Mari only changes this before *j)
> >
> Loans is nicer.
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/60884
> It accounts for two traditionally unconnected IE roots.
> Form in donor language something like *in,g-
> Torsten