From: george knysh
Message: 64951
Date: 2009-08-25
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...> wrote:
What would be the origin of sinmurv (Avest. saena m&r&Go:)? A reflex of the Mesopotamian dog-headed, winged demons? A close relative of giant bird Garuda? A distant link to Norse eagle-winged giant Hraesvelgr ("corpse-swallower" )?
Avestan saena m&r&Go: = Sansk. s^yena mR.ga; s^yena/saena < *k^yeino- "dark-coloured bird of prey" (cf. Greek iktinos "kite" <*t-kyi:no- ?)
m&r&rGo:/mR.ga < *mRg(W)o- (akin to Greek mermnos? "kind of bird of prey")
Would it be a kind of PIE mythical giant bird.
JS Lopes
****GK: Cf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simurgh
which identifies senmurv and simurgh.
Interestingly the god "simargl" (=simurgh) was part of the pagan pantheon officially adopted by Volodymyr the Great in Kyiv ca. 980 (when he toyed with the notion of a state unifying pagan religion, just seven or eight years before his conversion to Christianity). Simargl was one of the six great gods selected by Volodymyr (the others were Perun, Dazhdbog(h), Khors, Mokosh, and Strybog(h)) The foundations where these six deities stood were rediscovered by Ukrainian archaeologists in 1975, right next to the foundations of the famous Church of the Tithes (Volodymyr's Byzantine-built cathedral). The standard view is that Khors and Simargl (as Iranic-origin deities) represented the religious interests of the local Polanian aristocracy, whose roots went back to the Spali and Poli of Sarmatian and Scythian times). What exactly "Simargl" represented is still under debate, with Rybakov's view of this being a "crop-protecting deity" in the lead.
Cf. also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simargl But here the problem is that the "Book of Veles" is generally thought to be a turn of the century 19/20 forgery...
Cf. http://www.simargl.ru/ which gives the views of Rybakov and others.
*****
De: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@... com>
Para: cybalist@... s.com
Enviadas: Terça-feira, 25 de Agosto de 2009 10:10:08
Assunto: [tied] Senmurv
R. Brzezinski & M. Mielczarek
The Sarmatians
600 BC - AD 450
p. 39
'Some Sarmatian standard heads may have represented the legendary Iranian senmurv - half-wolf, half-bird (Coulston, 1991).'
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/27139
http://sejren. natmus.dk/ ST/genstande. asp?ID=49& offset=3
Torsten
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