From: tgpedersen
Message: 64929
Date: 2009-08-23
>No, everybody else is, and I'm calling attention to it.
> At 5:58:18 PM on Saturday, August 22, 2009, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> > <BMScott@> wrote:
>
> >> At 2:00:17 PM on Saturday, August 22, 2009, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >>> in the area of Insular Celtic languages included. This
> >>> means (Stephen Oppenheimer pointed this out) that either
>
> >> > 1) the Insular Celtic languages are not Celtic, or
>
> >> Which is obviously false: the definition of 'Celtic
> >> language' is pretty unambiguous.
>
> > Don't be disingenuous.
>
> I'm not. You're trying to equivocate on 'Celtic'.
> >>> 2) Hallstatt and La Tène cultures are not Celtic cultures.If I thought they were synonyms why would I want to replace one of the terms with another? Doh!
>
> > I was pointing out that whatever term you use, you can't
> > use it both of the relict languages on the British Isles
> > and in Brittany and of the Hallstatt culture, which was
> > Oppenheimer's point.
>
> Of course you can, unless you're under the delusion that
> 'Celtic' in linguistics and 'Celtic' in ethnology are
> synonyms.
> >> Also from the La Tène article:And you're a librarian.
>
> >> Some of the societies that are archaeologically identified
> >> with La Tène material culture were identified by Greek and
> >> Roman authors from the 5th century onwards as keltoi
> >> ("Celts") and galli ("Gauls").
>
> > Which is obviously irrelevant. The question is: who got
> > the idea of identifying the relict Western languages with
> > the Celtic culture of Gaul?
>
> >> Herodotus placed keltoi at the source of the Danube, in the
> >> heartland of La Tène material culture.
>
> > Oppenheimer has problems with that one too.
>
> I can't say that Oppenheimer's opinions matter much to me;
> he's obviously a linguistic ignoramus.
> >> Whether this means that the whole of LaI understand the basic fact that Celtic is a homonym and I suggest one of the terms be replaced with another. You don't want that, for whatever reason, the present mess is good enough for you so you start bitching and griping about nothing as usual.
> >> Tène culture can be attributed to a unified Celtic people
> >> is difficult to assess; archaeologists have repeatedly
> >> concluded that language, material culture, and political
> >> affiliation do not necessarily run parallel.
>
> > A platitude by which the author tries to dispel doubts
> > about the present assignations.
>
> Zero marks for failing to understand (or at any rate to
> accept) a basic fact.