Re: Town, Zaun, and Celtic Dun-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> Nice to know. But if the name is not made out of thin air, it would have been made from existing material, and for the Germanic-speaker in the invasion there would be no Germanic material to make names in P- from. And if they did make it up out of thin air, how come some of the names match some in NWEurope, in particular Frisian ones? And if they made them up out of thin air in NWEurope before the invasion together with the Frisians, how come the stem of some of the names match the stem of some Illyrian, Etruscan and Latin ones?
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> BTW I seem to recall Kuhn wrote somewhere that almost all the Frisian names were either strong or weak, but I forgot which.
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I find it easier to believe that those names would be Nordwestblock names rather than Illyrian or Etruscan. Why would Illyrians and Etruscans be found so far away from their homelands? Is there other evidence for these ethnic groups in Germania and Britain besides several possible names (which could be of other origin, e.g. Nordwestblock)? Latin perhaps survived to some extent after the Romans left Britain, so the Anglo-Saxons may have subjugated a people that spoke Latin or a descendant of it (and Latin names may have permeated the Celts in Britain), I don't know what history has to say about this.
About Venetic, well, despite your many messages on this topic over the past couple of years, I never really learned the details about this people's distribution that you offered, or what current scholarly opinion is in this area. I only remember what Wiki says about it, that it was spoken in the eastern Italy and Slovenia area. To me it seems as likely a candidate for a Germanic substrate as Illyrian or Etruscan. If you are right, Torsten, about your idea of these names representing a Germanic substrate, then I would vote for them being Nordwestblock names, with Latin a close second.

Andrew