Re: Aryan invasion theory and race

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "shivkhokra" <shivkhokra@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@> wrote:
> >
> > "Shivraj" wouldn't know science if it hit him in the head,
> > George. I too have interacted with him on IndiaArchaeology.
>
> Let us see if you can give us an example of the above
> statement. Otherwise this is ad-hominen attack.

Already given. As a follower of Dayananda you believe in
reincarnation and the infallible authority of the Vedas,
and therefore may in no way be considered a scientist.

In case you don't realize, science gives no credence at all
to either notion.

> > He's a follower of a modern unorthodox cult within Hinduism
> > called the Arya Samaj, the Hindu counterpart of the Mormons
> > or Jehovah's Witnesses. Notice that he has in a recent post
> > already begun proselytizing to the list that reincarnation
> > finds mention in the Vedas, which it does not, but which is
> > an important article of religious faith for the Arya Samaj.
>
> Bunch of Lies. Would you be happy if I were to start calling
> you names and call you a nazi?

I do not lie. Let it be seen your post to IndiaArchaeology at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/6724
where you wrote:

> Please read swami Dayananda to understand what vedas mean.
> Hindus believe in only one Brahma, the truth (not to confuse
> with God Brahma). Concept too large to expound here but Swami
> Dayanand's commentary on Veda is a must for you.
>
> > the Vedic Indians were true polytheists just like their
> > cousins the ancient Iranians and Greeks were.
>
> No they were not. It only seems so to Indologists who have been
> following Sayana who himself followed Purans. Please refer to
> Swami Dayananda's Satyarth Prakash.

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In fact let "shivkhokra" and "Dayananda" be entered in
the archive search engine of the IndiaArchaeology home-
page and it be seen what comes up.

(For those who may not know, Svami Dayananda was the
founder of the Arya Samaj.)

> > The site makes clear, just as Shivraj takes great pains to do,
> > that the Rajputs are indigenous to India and most certainly
> > not descended from Aryan invaders. It seems that their clans
> > are instead descended variously from the sun god, the moon god,
> > and the sacred fire. It's just plain good old science, you
> > see.
>
> You may want to read Panini and Mbh about Rajputs.

Neither Panini nor any contributor to the Mahabharata
was an historian or scientist of any sort that they
would have last word, or any word for that matter, on
the origin of the Rajputs. The Vedas and Mahabharata
are myths, with the odd bit of historical reality to
be found in them here and there altering that fact not
in the least.

If you want to be regarded as scientifically informed,
then you are going to have to acknowledge such facts,
otherwise you, no less than Dayananda, fully deserve
to be considered a textual fundamentalist.

> And yes every culture has myths and no I don't believe rajputs
> are descended from sun and the moon and the fire.

That you recognize that, at least, is good, but do you
yet realize that the Vedas and Mahabharata are myths no
less?

> > "Shivraj Singh" is, moreover, recognized by Wikipedia as what
> > they call a "sock puppet" (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry ), which information was relayed to me
> > by Francesco and which I relayed to the IndiaArchaeology list,
> > but which post seems to have now disappeared, at least I can't
> > locate it with the search function. Did you happen to record
> > that post and have the message number, Francesco?
>
> Sorry you must be talking about someone else. Have not edited
> wikipedia in many years. But what is the relevance here?

The relevance is to the question of whether you're even
worth taking the trouble to debate. I doubt that many
people would care to waste their precious time debating
a fundamentalist, much less a puppet for such ideology.

David