From: shivkhokra
Message: 64838
Date: 2009-08-19
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote in reference to Shivraj Singh:
> >
> > Discussions with ideological kooks is difficult at best, but
> > sometimes they do relent. We have such experiences on cybalist.
> > If it was me I would "test him out" with other issues to see
> > how profound his non-scientific attitudes are (if we are to
> > believe K. Elst they are quite profound, perhaps irremediably
> > so).
>
> "Shivraj" wouldn't know science if it hit him in the head,
> George. I too have interacted with him on IndiaArchaeology.
>
Let us see if you can give us an example of the above statement. Otherwise this is ad-hominen attack.
> He's a follower of a modern unorthodox cult within Hinduism
> called the Arya Samaj, the Hindu counterpart of the Mormons
> or Jehovah's Witnesses. Notice that he has in a recent post
> already begun proselytizing to the list that reincarnation
> finds mention in the Vedas, which it does not, but which is
> an important article of religious faith for the Arya Samaj.
>
Bunch of Lies. Would you be happy if I were to start calling you names and call you a nazi?
> He's also a Rajput, and Rajput supremacist of sorts. If you
> have the time to waste on the like, see the Rajput-eulogizing
> site, which Shivraj recommends to the IndiaArchaeology list,
> at http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Protection_of_Hinduism .
> The site makes clear, just as Shivraj takes great pains to do,
> that the Rajputs are indigenous to India and most certainly
> not descended from Aryan invaders. It seems that their clans
> are instead descended variously from the sun god, the moon god,
> and the sacred fire. It's just plain good old science, you
> see.
>
You may want to read Panini and Mbh about Rajputs. And yes every culture has myths and no I don't believe rajputs are descended from sun and the moon and the fire.
> "Shivraj Singh" is, moreover, recognized by Wikipedia as what
> they call a "sock puppet" (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry ), which information was relayed to me
> by Francesco and which I relayed to the IndiaArchaeology list,
> but which post seems to have now disappeared, at least I can't
> locate it with the search function. Did you happen to record
> that post and have the message number, Francesco?
Sorry you must be talking about someone else. Have not edited wikipedia in many years. But what is the relevance here?
Shivraj