From: tgpedersen
Message: 64804
Date: 2009-08-18
>But I disagree.
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah, where were we...
> >
> > Pliny, Naturalis Historia, Book IV. XIII.:
> > http://tinyurl.com/nmmg7j
> > '
> > 96 Incipit deinde clarior aperiri fama ab gente Inguaeonum, quae
> > est prima in Germania. Mons Saevo ibi, inmensus nec Ripaeis iugis
> > minor, inmanem ad Cimbrorum usque promunturium efficit sinum, qui
> > Codanus vocatur, refertus insulis, quarum clarissima est
> > Scatinavia, inconpertae magnitudinis, portionem tantum eius, quod
> > notum sit, Hillevionum gente quingentis incolente pagis: quare
> > alterum orbem terrarum eam appellant. nec minor est opinione
> > Aeningia.
> >
> > 97 quidam haec habitari ad Vistlam usque fluvium a Sarmatis,
> > Venedis, Sciris, Hirris tradunt, sinum Cylipenum vocari et in
> > ostio eius insulam Latrim, mox alterum sinum Lagnum, conterminum
> > Cimbris. promunturium Cimbrorum excurrens in maria longe
> > paeninsulam efficit, quae Tastris appellatur. XXIII inde insulae
> > Romanis armis cognitae. earum nobilissimae Burcana, Fabaria
> > nostris dicta a frugis multitudine sponte provenientis, item
> > Glaesaria a sucino militiae appellata, barbaris Austeravia,
> > praeterque Actania.'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "From this point more definite information begins
> > to open up, beginning with the race of the Inguaeones,
> > the first that we come to in Germany. Here there
> > is an enormous mountain, the Saevo, as big as those
> > of the Ripaean range, which forms an enormous
> > bay reaching to the Cimbrian promontory; it is
> > named the Codanian Gulf, and is studded with islands.
> > The most famous of these is Scandinavia; its size
> > has not been ascertained, and so far as is known,
> > only part of it is inhabited, its natives being the
> > Hilleviones, who dwell in 500 villages, and call their
> > island a second world. Aeningia is thought to be
> > equally big. Some authorities report that these
> > regions as far as the river Vistula are inhabited by
> > the Sarmati, Venedi, Sciri and Hirri, and that there
> > is a gulf named Cyhpenus, with the island of Latris
> > at its mouth, and then another gulf, that of Lagnus,
> > at which is the frontier of the Cimbri. The Cimbrian
> > promontory projects a long way into the sea, forming
> > a peninsula called Tastris. Then there are twenty-
> > three islands known to the armed forces of Rome ;
> > the most noteworthy of these are Burcana, called
> > by our people Bean Island from the quantity of wild
> > beans growing there, and the island which by the
> > soldiery is called Glass Island from its amber, but
> > by the barbarians Austeravia, and also Actania."
> >
>
>
>
> BTW on those Hilleviones; this has been on my to-do list for some
> time:
>
>
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/58290
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/58311
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/58325
>
> Note the Hallins:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilleviones
> 'In the 6th century AD, Jordanes wrote that among the many tribes
> inhabiting the island of Scandza were the Suehans and the Hallins'
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halland
>
> de Vries:
> 'halr m. 'mann'
> (< germ. * haliþ, mit Schwund dental im Auslaut), aschw. hälith.
> Ob wgerm. Halamardus 'Göttername in einer weihe-inschrift' hierher
> gehört, wie v. Grienberger Zfda 35, 1891 vermutet, ist recht
> unsicher; vgl.
> ae. hæle, hæleð 'mann, held', as. helið, ahd. helid 'held'.
> gr. kéllo: 'treibe', kélomai 'treibe an', lat. celer 'rasch', ai.
> kaláyati 'treibt'.
> vgl. halda und ho,lðr.
> Nach IEW 524 eher zu ai. kalya 'gesund, rüstig', gr. kállos
> 'Schönheit'.
> Nicht als 'mann aus Halland' zu deuten, wie F. Jónsson, Sprogforh.
> 307 erwägt (also wie virðar, ýtar).
> Ein zweites wort halr dürfte run. norw. hali akk. sg. (Wetzsteinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calates
> von Ström 7. Jht), sein, das kaum so früh aus *haliþ gekürzt sein
> kann. Deshalb nimmt Kiil ANF 68, 1953, 89-95 ein wort *hali- an,
> verwandt mit hel, und das also 'toter, totgeweihter' bedeuten soll.
> An mehreren stellen in der an. lit. hat das wort halr eine
> pejorative bedeutung.'
>
> From *Kal-et- "kal- inhabitant"? The double-valued connotation
> might indicate an old ethnic conflict.
>