The harvest of suppressing evidence

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "gknysh" <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
> On Sun, 8/9/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > > > > As I announced some weeks ago ..., I realized that whatever
> > > > > project Ariovistus / Harjagist had, it was ultimately a
> > > > > failure, so it can't have been the real origin of the
> > > > > spread of
> > > > > Germanic (the Wetterau traces of Przeworsk disappear).
> > > > Therefore I must claim two separate Sarmatian vel sim.
> > > > incursions, one into Przeworsk,
> > > > one into the Marbod etc complex, which was more successful. > > > > The number of Sarmatisms is acually greater than the number of
> > > Celtisms.
> > >
> >
> > > > The quote of Shchukin of Romanized Sarmatians was meant more
> > > > like a proof of concept.
>
> > > > "And as described, they [the Kuban burials GK]match perfectly
> > > > the 'new' Germanic inhumations graves: plenty of expensive
> > > > Roman stuff, cheap local stuff, no other ethnic
> > > > characteristics (except for the odd tamga, dragon standard
> > > > and ring-pommeled sword)."
> > > >
> > But in a mixed Sarmatian auxiliary detachment they would give up
> > such differences. They might even, given that Yazigian,
> > Roxolanian, Aorsan and Alanic might have developed to a point of
> > total or partial mutual incomprehensibility have switched to some
> > version of Latin for everyday purposes; which would explain the
> > very low number of Iranian loans in Germanic, along with some
> > early Latin loans.

> > the odd gakk/tamga, dragon banner or ring-pommeled sword...
> > matches Romanized Sarmatian deserters quite well.
>
> = Germanic spread due to the arrival into Germania in the 1rst c.
> CE of "Romanized Sarmatian deserters" who had largely forgotten
> their Iranic speeches, and used "some version of Latin for everyday
> purposes". (This is what enabled them to become leaders of the
> Germanic tribes and creators of the genuine Germanic languages.)

Apart from the fact that you don't create languages, at most you make them literate languages by inventing an alphabet and the rudiments of a grammar (from observation of the spoken language), yes, that's what I think happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_%28Y-DNA%29
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI08.html

Snorri: Prologue:
'The Æsir took wives of the land for themselves, and some also for
their sons; and these kindreds became many in number, so that
throughout Saxland, and thence all over the region of the north,
they spread out until their tongue, even the speech of the men of
Asia, was the native tongue over all these lands.'

Except that of course the language was the one they picked up in Przeworsk.


Torsten