From: caotope
Message: 64585
Date: 2009-08-03
> > > But I do have nice etymology for ON maðkr, Da. maddike, Sw.Kartvelian > Armenian looks solid. Go on, where did the *-l disappear in Germanic, and where do the Swedish -r-, -s- come from? And what does the 2nd form from Pokorny with -l- but no -t- have to do with this? Other than that the Armenian could apparently be from the next Kartvelian form rather than IE. (Unless it's IE > Armenian > Kartvelian, but isn't the development from *5 (velar *l) to *G too late for that?)
> > > mask, mark "maggot", I could give you.
> >
> > Shoot, you kno you want to.
> >
> Pokorny
> 1. math- oder moth- in Worten für nagendes, beißendes Gewürm oder
> Ungeziefer ? ?
> Arm. mat´il ,Laus'; got. maþa, m. ahd. mado, ags. mađa ,Wurm,
> Made', aisl. maþkr ds., aschwed. matk, finn. Lw.
> matikka ,Würmchen'.
>
> Standard stuff. Note the Armenian form.
>
> From
> Pokorny's
> I. mol- (auch smel-), mel&- : mle:-,
> etc
>
> add
>
> ahd. mil(i)wa ,Milbe' (*melwjo);
> got. malō n., aisl. mo,lr (*molu-) ,Motte (mehlmachendes Tierchen'); abg. molь (*moli-) ds., arm. dial. m&GmóG (aus *mol/mol/) ,Motte';
>
> OK too.
>
> and
>
>
> Etymological Dictionary of the Kartvelian Languages:
>
> Common Kartvelian
> *ma-t.l- 'worm': Georg. mat.l- 'worm';
> Megr. munt.ur-; Laz munt.u(r)-, munt.r-; Svan m&t..
> The lexeme is well attested in Old Georgian (mat.li mati ara daesrulebis 'their worm dieth not' Mk. 9.48). It must be taken to be a nominal derivative with a prefix ma- from the verb stem *t.l- 'to gnaw (about worms)'. Georgian l and Zan ur regularly reflect an old l. The original vowel underwent a change a > o > u in Megrelian in proximity to the labial. The vocalism of the Svan form needs explanation.
>
>
> Now look at the distribution. Kartvelian, Armenian, Germanic, and the word is derivable in Kartvelian only.
>
> That looks kinda solid.
> But, complication:John Vertical
>
> Common Kartvelian(?) *mG- 'moth(?)': Georg. mG-il- 'moth, a small
> worm'; Svan mG-ul 'insect'.
> The word is found in Old Georgian: arca mGilman
> ganrq.unis... 'neither moth corrupteth...' Lk. 12.33. The Georgian
> and Svan cognates have different derivational affixes (the final l
> of the inherited stem could not have been preserved in Svan).