Re: Mid-first century BCE Yazigian prerequisites

From: george knysh
Message: 64553
Date: 2009-08-02

--- On Sun, 8/2/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:



> GK: Here is another source about burial practices in the area of and near the amber road in the 1rst-4th cs. CE:
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> http://club- kaup.narod. ru/kaup_r_ kylakov_hist_ of_prussia_ 1283_4.html
>

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> Neither of them is even considering Sarmatians as an option, even
> though they lived next door and had been inhumating for centuries,
> and native sources point out Sarmatians as immigrating into the
> area.
>
> GK: Sarmatian specificities are apparently missing. Cf. article mentioned supra.
>

I think it's your turn to translate the relevant passages. The ball is in your court.

Torsten

****GK: My dear Torsten, you're the one who's attempting to find evidence for Snorri's fantasized notion of the "Asgard" origins of Odin Germania. You're disappointed at the fact that your German language sources don't seem to share your prejudices? That they don't mention anything at all which could be used as "proof" of this nonsense? I don't have to prove anything. All I need to do is to point you towards relevant sources. If you want to waste your time be my guest... I have other projects and my time is at a premium. I simply can't waste it in this way. I can help you a little bit, but you'll have to find someone else to translate more than a few lines of these texts for you. Here's the best I can do:

Kulakov is interested in what you call "horsey stuff" in the grave inventories of the Barbaricum of northern Europe. He mentions a source you should consult: the 1994 work by Suzanna Wilbers-Rost connected with "the genesis, development, and spread of equine headgear with straps in the form of bronze chainlets". She lists and catalogues 140 such grave and cenotaph finds from Southern Scandinavia to Lithuania in the 1rst-4th c.CE.
In phase B1/B2 there are three concentrations of such popular equine headgears in the north European Barbaricum: (1) between Oder and Vistula (2) in southeastern Baltia esp. Sambia (3) in the western part of the Baltic shore area (esp. Mecklenburg and the island of Fiune(?sp). "The earliest finds are in the area of the Roman limes on the Danube, in the area of intense Roman-Celtic contacts in the first c. CE." Then, (p. 74): "The Celtic material of the period 100 BCE-100 CE allows us to establish the specific Celtic origin of such equine headgears with bronze chainlets". Then: "in the first c. CE this equipment was adopted by the Roman cavalry." "We must not forget that in the time frame from the epoch of Gaius Marius (105 BCE) through the time of Trajanus' Dacian wars (101-107 CE) Rome's auxiliary cavalry was recruited from amongst "barbarians"-- Celts and Germanics." There are masses of references in Kulakov to archaeological literature on the
presence of such items in the graves of auxiliary Quadi for instance. They spread along the Amber route from ca. 51-63 CE.=== There are further mass references to archaeological literature indicating the wave of influence from the south along the amber route. Influence which spread throughout the northern babaricum as contingents from many more distant Germanic areas participated in the "auxiliary" movement in the 1rst and 2nd c. CE. They took their acquisitions home and they wound up in their graves. Kulakov then mentions two other sources (both by H. Steuer, both published in 1998) which deal with the Lubsow gravefinds. The "princely" burials are indicative of the high social standing of the defunct in that they not only contain the equine headgear specifics Wilber-Rost catalogued, but entire horse burials. This is considered a Germanic innovation for that time (only applicable to leaders), and later on will influence the burial practices of the pagan
Balts. Interestingly, Kulikov notes that these specific headgears are not found in the Sarmatian areas of Hungary (they had their own types) except on the Sarmat-Quadi borderland ca. 200 CE.****