> > > > > How about my favorite phoneme: /n,W/, the nasal labio-velar?
> > > >
> > > > Well if we want to derive them all from a single form. But
> > > > that doesn't seem to be necessary. This case rather looks
> > > > like related substrate languages having related, but
> > > > distinct, invertebrate terminology.
> > >
> > > Ends up as the same thing: if we want to know the structure of
> > > that language family, we will have to posit proto-forms, . And
> > > labial/velar stop/nasal alternation is one of the
> > > characteristics of the language of geminates as defined already,
> >
> > With stops, maybe. Nasals simply seem to assimilate to them.
>
> That should be read as 'labial / velar alternation combined with
> stop / pre-nasalized stop alternation' .
So that's /Nk_w/ then, not /N_w/?
> > So what exactly did you want to do with a labiovelar nasal again?
> > This thing needs an outline.
>
> Posit it for the substrate language and derive labial or velar auslaut stops of semantically related words in NWEuropean languages, geminate or nort, prenasalized or not.
I'm talking about these invertebrate words specifically. What do you think is their "family tree"?
> > > eg. dup-/dump-/dunk- /duck-.
> >
> > English "dunk" is supposedly a German loan,
>
> I've never heard that. ON dunka, perhaps k- derivative of ON duna "crash", say Dansk Etymologisk Ordbog, Da. dunke, Sw. dunka. The German relative of the above series is 'tünchen' "whitewash".
AHD relates this to MHG _dunken_ via Pennsylvania Dutch (as it's originally attested in America), ultimately from PIE *teng-.
***R In the Mennonites and related groups of German ancestry are colloquially/regionally known as "Dunkards" because of their baptism practices
But I wonder if dump, dip, etc are related to "deep" and perhaps if dunk is related then it's due to some p/k change
