From: george knysh
Message: 64452
Date: 2009-07-28
--- On Tue, 7/28/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
--- In cybalist@... s.com, gknysh@... wrote:
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> --- On Sun, 7/26/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@ ...> wrote:
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> > http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/11540
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> > GK: There is nothing here for the period I mention except a
> > reference to the Przeworsk inhumations you are supposedly
> > investigating. And it is also difficult to draw conclusions from a
> > text which speaks of the period 0-200 en bloc with no micro-
> > differentiations (whereas it is now established that the earliest
> > Wielbark inhumations appear in 0-40/50 CE.)
>
> This is one of the earliest ones
> http://tinyurl. com/lnwr6o
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> ****GK: This is contemporaneous to earliest Wielbark. It has no
> relevance to your Gothic invasion thesis.*****
Frankly I don't care much one way or the other. The interesting question is where those two schools of inhumation, Przeworsk / Central Germany and Elbe Germanic / Lubieszewo / Scandinavian / Wielbark came from.
****GK: It is as close to 100% certain as these things can be that it did not come from "Asgard" (:=))), or from anything "eastern" that you can retwist (for the umpteenth time) into the equivalent of "Asgard".*****
> As I have said all the time to no avail is that I want Snorri and
> other Medieval chroniclers to be seen as sources like all others,
> with whatever errors they may contain.
> GK: Well, what errors DO they contain? (:=)))
You tell me.
****GK: Mr. Pedersen was told, over and over, and over, in discussions on Cybalist back in 2001-2002, why Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla fantasies were utterly inadequate as expressions of turn of the millennium history. He refused to accept any criticism of his idol, continued to believe (he is after all a true believer, a Snorrist ideologist (until proof to the contrary), in the historical accuracy of Heimskringla, until his mindlessly adamant repetitions of Snorrist mantra became so obnoxious that he was told to stop it or else. It's all in the archives for those who have patience to reread it.Since then he has been very cautious in his approach. But as far as I can tell he has abandoned none of his beliefs (and that is what they are, not scientific theories). This "you tell me" is a reaffirmation of his Snorrist faith. His "yawn" comments also.****
> It would help if you would realize that everything concocted by
> mediaeval authors (whether Snorri, or Vincent Kadlubek, or Nestor
> of Kyiv) does not necessarily represent "popular tradition", i.e.
> that quite a bit in all cases is their own imagination at work. One
> hermeneutic problem is to disentangle these elements. Were you
> ready to do this with Snorri you would have been treated
> differently.
That's a lie and you know it. Accept that or point out the posting in which I insist everything Snorri wrote is gospel truth.
****GK: I have an easier test. Start listing the points on which Snorri is wrong. I won't call you a liar because that implies willful distortion of the truth. Someone whose ideology makes it organically impossible to discern the truth is not a liar, just an unfortunate psychopatient.****
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> And you insist on misrepresenting me. Don't do that.
And as soon as George heard that, he includes four counts of 'Snorrist' in lieu of argument in his next posting. His mother must have loved him very much.
****GK: Yours did not? Is that why you became a true believer?****
> GK: Well then stop being a knee-jerk Snorrist.
Some months back I analysed here the name Wodan as *n,Woda-an-, "leader of a *n,Wod-, a troop", which BTW is an old idea, found already in Grimm's etymological dictionary. With that in mind I have proposed several historical leaders with the title of *n,Wod-an-, of which the first was *Harja-Gist- . Pay attention.
****GK: I am. I haven't seen any posting in which you accept the fact that Snorri Sturluson's "Asgard" fantasies of Odin's migration to Europe from beyond the Don is historical BS. And your current "interest" in the emergence of inhumations in the area of Poland (with an eagerness for "Sarmatian" influences) is the same old story in slightly different wrappings (since you have been forbidden to restate your older mantras).****