Fwd: Re: [tied] Re: That old Ariovistus scenario.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "gknysh" <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, gknysh@ wrote:
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> > > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > A Snorri qoute to make you happy:
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> > >
> > > http://omacl.org/Heimskringla/ynglinga.html
> > >
> > > '8. ODIN'S LAWGIVING.
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> > >
> > >
> > > Odin established the same law in his land that had been in force
> > > in Asaland. Thus he established by law that all dead men should
> > > be burned, and their belongings laid with them upon the pile,
> > > and the ashes be cast into the sea or buried in the earth.
> > > Thus, said he, every one will come to Valhalla with the riches
> > > he had with him upon the pile; and he would also enjoy whatever
> > > he himself had buried in the earth. For men of consequence a
> > > mound should be raised to their memory, and for all other
> > > warriors who had been distinguished for manhood a standing
> > > stone; which custom remained long after Odin's time.'
> > >
> > > ie. inhumation for his own men (those of consequence),
> > > cremation for everyone else, like a dictator from the steppes
> > > would do, if he intended to stay.
> > >
> > > GK: Your interpretation seems to be in conflict with the
> > > evidence at Old Uppsala:
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> > > Cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamla_Uppsala#Archaeology
> > >
> > > *****
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> > (TP)http://omacl.org/Heimskringla/ynglinga.html
> ****GK: Cut for economy, since none of this has any relevance to
> the fact that Swedish kings were cremated at Old Uppsala in the 6th
> century. According to your latest thesis, they must have been "men
> of no consequence" (:=)))... The answer, of course, is that you
> have misunderstood your source.

The answer is that you are talking through your hat.
http://tinyurl.com/kqsscf

> To state that a mound is erected does not imply that this is done
> over an inhumation.

Nor that it is done over a cremation.

> Whatever Odin was, he was no Yazig dictator from the steppes.****

That remains to be seen.



The case of Sweden is special. Sweden housed two powers then:
Götar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tar
which I see as the original inhabitants, cf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tar#Jutish_hypothesis
(the linguistic objections are invalid if the Götar/Goths/Jutar were not originally Germanic-speakers)
and Svear,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svear
which I see as the intruders.

'According to early sources, such as the Norse sagas, and especially Heimskringla, the Swedes were a powerful tribe whose kings claimed descendence from the god Freyr'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyr
'In the Icelandic books the Poetic Edda and the Prose Edda, Freyr is presented as one of the Vanir, the son of the sea god Njörðr, brother of the goddess Freyja.'

which means they would not necessarily have followed Odin (Æsir) custom at Old Uppsala.


Torsten