Fwd: Re: [tied] Re: That old Ariovistus scenario.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> Scholar, not scholars. Boosen.
> GK: He cites others.
> Erh, OK.
> (GK) So that whatever changes are noted in the Oder/Warthe and
> other regions in the 1rst c. BCE are changes due to internal
> dynamics (and afterwards with interaction with the Romans), not to
> cultural or other influxes from the east.
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> The interesting part is that the provenance of these new elements
> are not discussed at all.
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> GK: Well you picked the source. Find a better one. Surely there
> are archaeological publications which comment on the identity and
> provenance of these inventories at least broadly "local" vs.
> "imports". The ball's in your court here.
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> I haven't seen any. Do you feel up to the task of discussing the
> provenance of those particular grave goods which should or
> shouldn't be there?
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> ****GK:Have a look at V. Mordvinceva's "Sarmatian Phalerae" It's a
> publication of the Deutsches Archeologisches Institut, Eurasien-
> Abteilung (around 2001?== particulars available on line. Check
> "Sarmatian phalerae".) I haven't looked at this, but it should give
> a pretty goods idea of one item to expect in a Sarmatian grave. Of
> course, cremation burials can be crossed out immediately. Other
> things to be checked: body position; weapons; ceramics;
> jewellery.*****

Thanks. Just ordered it.
A Snorri qoute to make you happy:

http://omacl.org/Heimskringla/ynglinga.html
'8. ODIN'S LAWGIVING.

Odin established the same law in his land that had been in force
in Asaland. Thus he established by law that all dead men should
be burned, and their belongings laid with them upon the pile, and
the ashes be cast into the sea or buried in the earth. Thus,
said he, every one will come to Valhalla with the riches he had
with him upon the pile; and he would also enjoy whatever he
himself had buried in the earth. For men of consequence a mound
should be raised to their memory, and for all other warriors who
had been distinguished for manhood a standing stone; which custom
remained long after Odin's time.'

ie. inhumation for his own men (those of consequence), cremation for
everyone else, like a dictator from the steppes would do, if he
intended to stay.


Torsten