Re: Sarmatism (was 'That old Ariovistus scenario')

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > As you are probably well aware, but the rest of cybalist might
> > not be, there is a long strife going on in the historical
> > sciences on the supposed connection or not between Polish
> > nobility and the Sarmatians.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
>
> I wasn't aware myself of any such ongoing strife, and
> neither does the Wikipedia article mention the like.
> It was my understanding that no modern scholar besides
> Sulimirski takes the premises of Sarmatism seriously.

OK, so Sulimirski has been ostracized.

>
> > Anyone with a career to mind will be well advised to say out of
> > this area (note that the Wikipedia article avoids that too).
>
> Really? Quite a few people have been fired from their
> academic posts for espousing Sarmatism, have they?
> Again I had not heard of the like.

OK, so no one has been ostracized.

> Could it be that you're worrying for nothing?

I wonder.

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > Where does the whole Sarmatian tradition in Poland stem
> > from?
>
> Well the Wikipedia article you cited already explains
> that, does it not, under the 'History' section?
>
> In addition old maps in Latin label the area 'Sarmatia',
> and so surely more than one Pole over the years has
> looked at such a map and wondered what a Sarmatian was,
> and started reading...

That shows how dumb the Poles were, since they forgot they put the name there themselves.

> What I find interesting is that there weren't any more
> sources on the lifestyle of the ancient Sarmatians
> available to a Sarmatizing Pole of the time than there
> are now, and so on the basis of what model did they
> assemble the particular culture described in the Wiki-
> pedia article, I have long wondered?

Good question. Maybe the Poles are just plain crazy?

> It's also interesting to watch the modern Ossetes and
> Jasz in the early stages of creating their own forms
> of Sarmatism.

I understand. Modern Ossetes and Jasz have made up their own connection to the Sarmatians.

> I wonder if some of your own ideas, Torsten, couldn't
> be considered a form of neo-Sarmatism too.
>

OK, so if I persist, I will be ostracized like Sulimirski, which never happened in the past.


Torsten