Sarmatism (was 'That old Ariovistus scenario')

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> As you are probably well aware, but the rest of cybalist might
> not be, there is a long strife going on in the historical
> sciences on the supposed connection or not between Polish
> nobility and the Sarmatians.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism

I wasn't aware myself of any such ongoing strife, and
neither does the Wikipedia article mention the like.
It was my understanding that no modern scholar besides
Sulimirski takes the premises of Sarmatism seriously.

> Anyone with a career to mind will be well advised to say out of
> this area (note that the Wikipedia article avoids that too).

Really? Quite a few people have been fired from their
academic posts for espousing Sarmatism, have they?
Again I had not heard of the like.

Could it be that you're worrying for nothing?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> Where does the whole Sarmatian tradition in Poland stem
> from?

Well the Wikipedia article you cited already explains
that, does it not, under the 'History' section?

In addition old maps in Latin label the area 'Sarmatia',
and so surely more than one Pole over the years has
looked at such a map and wondered what a Sarmatian was,
and started reading...

What I find interesting is that there weren't any more
sources on the lifestyle of the ancient Sarmatians
available to a Sarmatizing Pole of the time than there
are now, and so on the basis of what model did they
assemble the particular culture described in the Wiki-
pedia article, I have long wondered?

It's also interesting to watch the modern Ossetes and
Jasz in the early stages of creating their own forms
of Sarmatism.

I wonder if some of your own ideas, Torsten, couldn't
be considered a form of neo-Sarmatism too.

David