Fwd: Re: [tied] Re: That old Ariovistus scenario.

From: tgpedersen
Message: 64326
Date: 2009-07-03

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "gknysh" <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jan Derk Boosen:
>
> > [Based on the primary archaeology of fibula grave gifts, grave
> > finds of the Oder-Warthe group from the beginning of the later
> > pre-Roman Iron Age
>
> ****GK: i.e. from 200 BCE through 150 AD. While interesting for
> Germanic archaeology, I don't notice a single comment by any of
> these competent scholars which would indicate grave inventories
> involving any kind of "eastern objects" brought in by inmigrants.

Scholar, not scholars. Boosen.

> So that whatever changes are noted in the Oder/Warthe and other
> regions in the 1rst c. BCE are changes due to internal dynamics
> (and afterwards with interaction with the Romans), not to cultural
> or other influxes from the east.

The interesting part is that the provenance of these new elements are not discussed at all.

> These archaeological facts adequately correspond to the historical
> documentation,

No comment is not a fact. And Snorri and Saxo etc are in principle historical sources too.

> and demonstrate clearly and evidently that the Snorri scenario is
> without scientific foundations.

Absence of discussion does not prove anything to me.


> At the same time the archaeology of Hungary and of the Lower Danube
> does demonstrate the presence of "eastern migrants" (cf. the
> Harmatta evidence earlier provided).****
>

As you are probably well aware, but the rest of cybalist might not be, there is a long strife going on in the historical sciences on the supposed connection or not between Polish nobility and the Sarmatians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
Anyone with a career to mind will be well advised to say out of this area (note that the Wikipedia article avoids that too). So, if you don't mind. I think I'll take you up on the offer of going through the actual evidence after 7/10.


Torsten